I was not promised the 175, however, it was pointed out that as a cadet the chances of getting the 175 were extremely high and that in most new hire classes, just enough 175 slots were offered so that every cadet in the class could bid for the 175. Class drops and other cadets that went through also confirmed this.

My flow is projected to be DEC 2026. My “prospective pilot information” pamphlet from recruiting advertised that I would be a AA FO in 6 years. I don’t recall ever being told that flow would be 5.5, but maybe I never asked because the pamphlet was advertising 6 years.

 

No it isn't.

 

Dan... if anyone can accurately answer your question, they need to pick my powerball numbers.

Envoy has about 650 lines of flying, meaning there are 1300 line holders across all bases and airframes. There are about 2500 pilots on property, 1200 are not lineholders. Take about 200 away for mgt, instructor and other status, and probably another 400 for training, and you are left with about 600 reserve pilots, 300 reserve FOs. So, if we are hiring 50 a month, you should expect 6 months of reserve, give or take.

Each base and equipment has huge waves and bubbles in hiring and flow which causes weird things to happen. For example, the most junior CA lineholders are on the CRJ. They fly with FOs who are senior to them, but cannot hold an FO line.

Our classes lock FOs into different groups in waves. There will be a time period where only 5 per month get DFW 175 for a few months, then 15 per month for a couple months. If you are on the front of this wave, you will have a disproportionately short time on reserve. If you are on the back of the wave, you'll be on reserve much longer.

Last summer, the fastest place to build time as a new hire on the 145 was NY. Now, the most junior NY 145 reserve FO has been here 8 months. When the music stops at a certain base/equipment, the plug stares down a long dark tunnel of perpetual reserve.

For total hours, our aggregate flying averages out to about 50-55 hours per pilot. Line holders will take about 80 hours per month, leaving 30 hours average for the reserves. So, in your first year, you should expect about 300 hours.

 

Thanks everyone for your input.

 

 

I’ve been hearing that the 145 guys (regardless of base) fly 200-300 hours in their first year. Do things at least get better in year 2?

 

Yes. Marginally

 

You know where things do get better? Other airlines

 

11/2018 hire holds a hard line for June in ORD 145.

 

I think you might have missed mine.