MEGAFUPM

FOR THOSE STILL KEEPING TRACK

Monday will be:

1. Our 7th paycheck at significantly lower rates than PSA.

2. 103/105 days since the PSA raise announcement/back pay date.

3. 38/61 days since the Piedmont raise announcement/back pay date.

4. 30 days since Envoy backed out of the AIP.

5. The company will have saved (very conservatively) over $9 million by this time.

(Average $13/hr raise) x (40 hours credit average per pay period) x (7 pay periods) x (2500 pilots)

6. There probably will still be 20-25 new hires come Monday as well.

havick206

How many days since EDV pay raise?

HalyardJammer

I think that was the beginning of 18.

LowvalueFO

You can ***** all you want, as long as Envoy is filling classes (spoiler ALERT - they still do) Management sees no reason for raises, short and simple ...

Varsity

DUI’s? Multiple checkride failures? Don’t know jack about IFR? Come to Envoy and flow to AA. We’re the new Mesa.

UnprotectdPilot

It's honestly embarrassing on behalf of AAG. There's so little discretion in hiring right now - hiring that will one day nine or more years from now [maybe] result in a mainline AA pilot. For a company that holds such high standards for their off-the-street hiring, they're doing a terrible job building up their future pipeline.

Raises must happen to attract quality applicants.

#ENVOYtheMESAofAAGwhollyowneds

pitchattitude

Anybody know the failure rate on new hires? I would think the union should have access to that information. Someone said the reason the DEC program was shut down was high failure rate. I know first hand of several OTS hires that didn’t make it through training. But just because of the company’s spite for pilots, they would probably waste more money on training than pay for a quality product. They have certainly shown this to be the case with all that were forced to upgrade into the CRJ or 145 only to turn right around for another upgrade to what they wanted, or in at least one case, CRJ, then 145 and finally 175. I personally know of at least one that went 175-145-175 and another that was DEC and has gone 145-175 and is scheduled to go back to the 145. Not sure if he put a bid in to go back to the 175 on this bid or not.

Bottom line is the company could have avoided a lot of training waste and lost productivity but didn’t want to talk to the union because they knew there were things they would have to change that would benefit the pilots to change what would avoid the training churn.

They can also get better quality applicants and fewer failure with raises that would allow them to be more selective.

LowvalueFO

You can bet your tushi that they have run the numbers - just speaking from former employment it was a common practice and still was cheaper than paying higher wages across the board - so again, decent class sizes - no raises at all ... get used to it and bend over ... =) ... as the Union will absolutely not ruffle any feathers as pointed out many times before for various reasons.

Varsity

A lot of current union members have been dealing with this mafia management team for better part of 2 decades.

They know what they are doing. I'm convinced you're new.

daOldMan

They aren't doing a very good job with their "2 decades of experience". Not sure that the experience is paying off. Envoy is one of the worst places to be right now.