New vacancy and DISPLACEMENT bid
06-29-2019, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
Paraphrasing: All pilots will need to have held CA status for 12 months except for those displaced.
If you are a CA and get displaced, anywhere any seat, this does not apply to you. If an FO is displaced and becomes a CA he is not a CA who is displaced, he is an FO who is displaced. The union is clearly wrong on this and is wasting their time.
06-29-2019, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by 29Eleven
Read it again. It states that the above doesn’t apply to those displaced to CA. Irregardless it’s not about what the new policy is, it’s the fact that the company just changed a policy in contradiction to a signed agreement on a whim.
06-29-2019, 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Naviator
You are misparaphrasing the most important point. It says the 12 month lock “ does not apply to captains who are displaced.”
If you are a CA and get displaced, anywhere any seat, this does not apply to you. If an FO is displaced and becomes a CA he is not a CA who is displaced, he is an FO who is displaced. The union is clearly wrong on this and is wasting their time.
If you are a CA and get displaced, anywhere any seat, this does not apply to you. If an FO is displaced and becomes a CA he is not a CA who is displaced, he is an FO who is displaced. The union is clearly wrong on this and is wasting their time.
And the reason for the company doing this is to get FOs to vacancy bid rather than let a displacement happen, a vacancy is cheaper for the company. It’s also the reason the company has told the union they do not intend to apply 15.G.4 to all FOs on this bid and why they didn’t apply 15.G.4 to all FOs two bids ago. They want us all to vacancy bid rather than be displaced and they know too many of us have figured out how much better it is to be displaced. They are gaming us.
06-29-2019, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
I disagree with your interpretation, as does the union. Applying the logic of that paragraph doesn’t go with what you say, nor does other similarly worded paragraphs in the contract. The union will win this in arbitration. Unfortunately, I think ALL effected pilots will no longer be here when an arbitrator makes the call, which is why the company is taking this tactic.
And the reason for the company doing this is to get FOs to vacancy bid rather than let a displacement happen, a vacancy is cheaper for the company. It’s also the reason the company has told the union they do not intend to apply 15.G.4 to all FOs on this bid and why they didn’t apply 15.G.4 to all FOs two bids ago. They want us all to vacancy bid rather than be displaced and they know too many of us have figured out how much better it is to be displaced. They are gaming us.
And the reason for the company doing this is to get FOs to vacancy bid rather than let a displacement happen, a vacancy is cheaper for the company. It’s also the reason the company has told the union they do not intend to apply 15.G.4 to all FOs on this bid and why they didn’t apply 15.G.4 to all FOs two bids ago. They want us all to vacancy bid rather than be displaced and they know too many of us have figured out how much better it is to be displaced. They are gaming us.
Quite possible there may be a few (maybe 15-20?) NOT forced this time due to the larger number of hires starting about three years. But unless you are in the top 20 or so of the FO seniority list, take the displacement and the money. Don’t let the company get over. I think a proffer to displace may still give an even better chance to force the displacement, but YMMV.
And if displaced and you didn’t get the SNJ you want, force the company to waste more money retraining you.
06-29-2019, 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by highfarfast
I disagree with your interpretation, as does the union. Applying the logic of that paragraph doesn’t go with what you say, nor does other similarly worded paragraphs in the contract. The union will win this in arbitration. Unfortunately, I think ALL effected pilots will no longer be here when an arbitrator makes the call, which is why the company is taking this tactic.
And the reason for the company doing this is to get FOs to vacancy bid rather than let a displacement happen, a vacancy is cheaper for the company. It’s also the reason the company has told the union they do not intend to apply 15.G.4 to all FOs on this bid and why they didn’t apply 15.G.4 to all FOs two bids ago. They want us all to vacancy bid rather than be displaced and they know too many of us have figured out how much better it is to be displaced. They are gaming us.
And the reason for the company doing this is to get FOs to vacancy bid rather than let a displacement happen, a vacancy is cheaper for the company. It’s also the reason the company has told the union they do not intend to apply 15.G.4 to all FOs on this bid and why they didn’t apply 15.G.4 to all FOs two bids ago. They want us all to vacancy bid rather than be displaced and they know too many of us have figured out how much better it is to be displaced. They are gaming us.
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