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Old 04-20-2020 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by uavking
Yeah, it's pretty easy, just meet one of a couple conditions:

1. USAFA grad, or if you're a ROTC commission, be a fighter guy.
2. Son or daughter of someone on the AA list
3. A rare check airman who has networked hard (easier to do #1 or #2)

Rotary guy? Spirit and Frontier seem to love those guys.

Thanks.

The couple that I know of meet the criteria of number two.
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Old 04-20-2020 | 09:25 AM
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Thanks.

The couple that I know of meet the criteria of number two.
Yep.
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Old 04-20-2020 | 02:10 PM
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I heard flow will be 68 years.
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Old 04-20-2020 | 02:59 PM
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Couple of things wrong so far with the last few days of posting, in my opinion.

1. [MENTION=89305]Gooch[/MENTION] There is no flow back, that has been mentioned multiple times in our forum and has been stated that it is not in our contract, thus AA can’t flow back into Envoy.

2. My flow was projected with silly union numbers to be 10.5 years one day one of hire. On the last interactive list, it showed 6.3. Our union cannot even replicate those same figures, so unfortunately they lack the credibility to provide insight on flow time, which brings me to point 3

3. Nobody on here, including myself, can predict flow especially right now. Once again, posts like these that are designed to detract pilots away from working here hurts yourself since the last flow group is predicated on how many pilots are on property. So, go ahead and keep bashing the hand that feeds but don’t be surprised why flow time could increase.


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Old 04-20-2020 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by UncreativeUser
Couple of things wrong so far with the last few days of posting, in my opinion.

1. [MENTION=89305]Gooch[/MENTION] There is no flow back, that has been mentioned multiple times in our forum and has been stated that it is not in our contract, thus AA can’t flow back into Envoy.

2. My flow was projected with silly union numbers to be 10.5 years one day one of hire. On the last interactive list, it showed 6.3. Our union cannot even replicate those same figures, so unfortunately they lack the credibility to provide insight on flow time, which brings me to point 3

3. Nobody on here, including myself, can predict flow especially right now. Once again, posts like these that are designed to detract pilots away from working here hurts yourself since the last flow group is predicated on how many pilots are on property. So, go ahead and keep bashing the hand that feeds but don’t be surprised why flow time could increase.


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It may increase a little but absolutely not the decade long time frame you mentioned in point 2. This is akin to a natural disaster and not an underlying weakness in an economy that was robust before all this happened. Demand will be back. The country is already beginning the process of opening up across the board. It won't be overnight, but by the end of May I can see being within 80% in terms of how open we were before. People are tired of being locked up and I've been reading bookings are through the roof for late summer in various beach and resort destinations.

As demand picks back up, you'll see aircraft gradually returning to service and hiring spooling back up down the road in the very near future. So, maybe an additional 6 months tops on the flow doe 6 to 6.5 total? Still, not bad.
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Old 04-20-2020 | 04:37 PM
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Originally Posted by THKooj
It may increase a little but absolutely not the decade long time frame you mentioned in point 2. This is akin to a natural disaster and not an underlying weakness in an economy that was robust before all this happened. Demand will be back. The country is already beginning the process of opening up across the board. It won't be overnight, but by the end of May I can see being within 80% in terms of how open we were before. People are tired of being locked up and I've been reading bookings are through the roof for late summer in various beach and resort destinations.

As demand picks back up, you'll see aircraft gradually returning to service and hiring spooling back up down the road in the very near future. So, maybe an additional 6 months tops on the flow doe 6 to 6.5 total? Still, not bad.

I don’t know so much about that homie. AA never lets a good crisis go to waste. You might want to check out the number of aircraft that they permanently parked.

It will adjust your flow figure upward somewhat.
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Old 04-20-2020 | 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by THKooj
It may increase a little but absolutely not the decade long time frame you mentioned in point 2. This is akin to a natural disaster and not an underlying weakness in an economy that was robust before all this happened. Demand will be back. The country is already beginning the process of opening up across the board. It won't be overnight, but by the end of May I can see being within 80% in terms of how open we were before. People are tired of being locked up and I've been reading bookings are through the roof for late summer in various beach and resort destinations.

As demand picks back up, you'll see aircraft gradually returning to service and hiring spooling back up down the road in the very near future. So, maybe an additional 6 months tops on the flow doe 6 to 6.5 total? Still, not bad.
WHO just announced the worst is yet to come. Even if they are over stating it I am inclined to lean their way as opposed to your predictions, which have been wrong since I can remember.
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Old 04-20-2020 | 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by amcnd
Exactly as mentioned above, plan for the worst.. in the late 90’s i was mad BezEX was mergers into Eagle. Cost me seniority. Bumped my flow up by 1 years , al All the Senior BezEX pilots took all the jet upgrades. The. 9/11 happens. Bumped my flow up to 16 years....
What language/grammar is this?! 🥴
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Old 04-20-2020 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by THKooj
It may increase a little but absolutely not the decade long time frame you mentioned in point 2. This is akin to a natural disaster and not an underlying weakness in an economy that was robust before all this happened. Demand will be back. The country is already beginning the process of opening up across the board. It won't be overnight, but by the end of May I can see being within 80% in terms of how open we were before. People are tired of being locked up and I've been reading bookings are through the roof for late summer in various beach and resort destinations.

As demand picks back up, you'll see aircraft gradually returning to service and hiring spooling back up down the road in the very near future. So, maybe an additional 6 months tops on the flow doe 6 to 6.5 total? Still, not bad.

This wasn’t a recruiting post I’m trying to make. My point is, it is very difficult to make the prediction, like you just did, to see how flow pans out.

I agree with you on one point that it’s not going to drop our flow all that much in the grand scheme of things but ONLY if booking resume back levels by September 30th. That is a very key date for all of us folks.


Parker was on CNBC saying that businesses bookings spiked in June. I do believe cabin fever is a real thing, especially for people living in the north/ colder climates. The problem is the choice of what the governments are going to do


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Old 04-20-2020 | 06:35 PM
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There are way more moving parts than you all are taking into consideration. There needs to be no second wave, we need people to feel they are safe to cram themselves into sardine cans again, and we will most likely need more bailout money. I know y’all don’t want to hear it, but we just parked 2.5 fleets for good, even if demand bounces back, we won’t hire for a while. Sit tight and hope we don’t liquidate.


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