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THKooj 07-25-2020 10:50 AM


Originally Posted by coodrough568 (Post 3098998)
no I turned interviews down. Can’t say I would’ve been hired, but had friends with the exact same stats as me get hired at both carriers.

You made a smart decision coodrough. Trust me. Give things a year or so and you'll see why.

GroundPointNine 07-25-2020 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 3099024)
You made a smart decision coodrough. Trust me. Give things a year or so and you'll see why.

He has arrived.

Cyio 07-25-2020 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by GroundPointNine (Post 3099040)
He has arrived.

Its fine, every single one of his "trust me" statements has absolutely backfired. Even the most ignorant, head in the sand reader can understand that the best course of action will to do the exact opposite of anything TheKooj says.

GroundPointNine 07-25-2020 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3099041)
Its fine, every single one of his "trust me" statements has absolutely backfired. Even the most ignorant, head in the sand reader can understand that the best course of action will to do the exact opposite of anything TheKooj says.

Agreed. The aviation industry troll of the year award goes to TheKooj! Congratulations lol.

TexAg11 07-25-2020 12:48 PM

I’ve spent a little time thinking about this flow going away in bankruptcy stuff, and I just don’t know why it would. Getting rid of flow doesn’t provide any cost savings. If it’s gone, then AAG only helps the Spirits and Frontiers as all their WO regional pilots have a mass exodus. I’m pretty sure everyone at a WO walks that stay or spirit tightrope as some point. Or if not one of those carriers then just the highest paying regional. The WOs basically don’t need a recruiting department because of it. And my understanding is that the training over at AA is mostly seamless for the flows, while street hires and military tend to be the ones needing extra, so the training dept tends to like it. (Not that a flow is a better pilot, just the FOM and procedures and familiarity etc)

Not glorifying flow or saying that it’s not gonna be a decade...just speaking to the “flows gone in bankruptcy” point.

Wouldn’t mind hearing some other perspectives.

Cyio 07-25-2020 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by TexAg11 (Post 3099092)
I’ve spent a little time thinking about this flow going away in bankruptcy stuff, and I just don’t know why it would. Getting rid of flow doesn’t provide any cost savings. If it’s gone, then AAG only helps the Spirits and Frontiers as all their WO regional pilots have a mass exodus. I’m pretty sure everyone at a WO walks that stay or spirit tightrope as some point. Or if not one of those carriers then just the highest paying regional. The WOs basically don’t need a recruiting department because of it. And my understanding is that the training over at AA is mostly seamless for the flows, while street hires and military tend to be the ones needing extra, so the training dept tends to like it. (Not that a flow is a better pilot, just the FOM and procedures and familiarity etc)

Not glorifying flow or saying that it’s not gonna be a decade...just speaking to the “flows gone in bankruptcy” point.

Wouldn’t mind hearing some other perspectives.

I don’t think anyone is saying it’s gone, but rather of zero usefulness as of now. Effectively it might as well be gone. In terms of it going away in the future, AA could use it to get concessions with the threat of removing it.

You are correct, however it has huge negotiating power, at least it did.

highfarfast 07-25-2020 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by TexAg11 (Post 3099092)
I’ve spent a little time thinking about this flow going away in bankruptcy stuff, and I just don’t know why it would. Getting rid of flow doesn’t provide any cost savings. If it’s gone, then AAG only helps the Spirits and Frontiers as all their WO regional pilots have a mass exodus. I’m pretty sure everyone at a WO walks that stay or spirit tightrope as some point. Or if not one of those carriers then just the highest paying regional. The WOs basically don’t need a recruiting department because of it. And my understanding is that the training over at AA is mostly seamless for the flows, while street hires and military tend to be the ones needing extra, so the training dept tends to like it. (Not that a flow is a better pilot, just the FOM and procedures and familiarity etc)

Not glorifying flow or saying that it’s not gonna be a decade...just speaking to the “flows gone in bankruptcy” point.

Wouldn’t mind hearing some other perspectives.

What would it matter if nobody is flowing? Spirit, Southwest, Jetblue et al will all be hiring long before AA hires another pilot. Is there really going to be anyone saying, “gee, I’ve got this Spirit offer but I think I’d rather wait around until flow starts again”?

Freighthotdog 07-25-2020 01:18 PM

I will never understand why people bash other pilots for wanting to go to a regional for a flow. Some want very good QOL, some want a shiny new jet, some want the best pay rates, and some want career progression. Too say “hOw iS tHaT fLoW” is quite foolish.

dk104444 07-25-2020 01:28 PM

If it wasn't for the flow I wouldn't be at my seniority today. What other regionals let you move up the list every month like clock work?


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