Leisure is over when schools start back up. Of course if schools DON’T start back up, or they start up online, and if mom and dad are working online anyway, leisure may become a 12 month market...

theboob hahahahaha made me chuckle. This guy is out of his mind.

like I said, when summer is over. which is when schools start back up

whether it becomes a 12 month market or not will be depend on the receiving tourist destinations, closures, travel restrictions, park openings, etc.

[QUOTE=THKooj;3099552]Let me guess. You are an economist and have worked in airline management to know this information?

Right. NOT. Because it's absolutely incorrect. American has the biggest economy of scale of any of the legacy carriers and they are the best positioned to weather the crisis and come out with a large gain in market share on the other side. The proportionate savings in cost with this increased level of production solidifies that aspect.

I will say that I own a WARN letter and I am VERY bullish on American Airlines. In a worst case scenario, I wouldn't stoop to the level of working for one of those sweatshops.[/QUOTE
tool bag alert.....

That wouldn’t solve the problem necessarily. The problem is different types and a seniority system that doesn't permit type specific furloughs. Take the Delta A220s. Or whatever the junior aircraft type is in any airline. How many of the senior people are rated in them? When you have nine different fleet types and can’t furlough by type, even if it is just random assignment and not stratified by pay scale, the training costs become huge for any downsizing.

The ability to fly the A318, 319, 320, CEOs, NEOs and XLR by everyone at the airline is a huge advantage, as is commonality of parts and maintenance. Strangely, Boeing pioneered the concept with the 757/767 joint type rating but then sort of let it get away from them.


But with a common 320 family type a pilot can fly anything from a 130 pax 3200 nautical mile range aircraft up to a 240 pax 4000 nautical mile aircraft. Savings on training and maintenance logistics are huge.

If you’re not, you just discredited your own post.

Less cancellations than expected actually.
But this is just rd 1. Rd 2 soon to follow.

Wow, that is surprising considering how much I have already lost. Thank you for the update.

I lost one turn. It just depends what you had in your schedule.

A bigger problem might not be that flow might be gone in bankruptcy, but that Envoy might be gone in bankruptcy along with one or both of the other WOs. If flying demand remains low that AAG has to reduce its regional footprint, they still have to honor their contracts with Skywest, Republic, and Mesa. They also have to honor scope with APA. One of the easiest ways to accomplish that would be to shut the doors on a WO or two or three.

It won't be long, but I imagine we'll soon see a MEC letter saying that Pedro approached the union saying that AAG needs to consolidate regional flying to just one WO, just like what is happening with Expressjet. If we don't agree to XYZ concessions, then AAG will move all our planes and flying to PSA or PDT. It won't really matter, though. One of the pilot groups will undercut the other two for survival. The others will be given "preferential hiring" at the remaining WO, and the guys who just missed the flow will be invited to start over at the bottom of the survivor's list, just like United hoped the TSA pilots would follow the 145s they flew to bottom of the Expressjet list. No crystal ball, just looking at history repeating itself.

Just throwing out another perspective.