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havick206 07-29-2020 07:57 AM


Originally Posted by Laminar (Post 3101097)
Wow thats long! If the flow dissolves in bankruptcy wouldn’t it be better to have a guaranteed interview. This way AA hires the most qualified, competitive, and worthwhile. Some iffy people have flowed that an interview would have had possibly filtered. Whats endeavors pass rate now? Probably accurate.

You do realize AA WO’s have a flow to keep them staffed?

THKooj 07-29-2020 08:09 AM


Originally Posted by Laminar (Post 3101097)
Wow thats long! If the flow dissolves in bankruptcy wouldn’t it be better to have a guaranteed interview. This way AA hires the most qualified, competitive, and worthwhile. Some iffy people have flowed that an interview would have had possibly filtered. Whats endeavors pass rate now? Probably accurate.

If there is anybody "sketchy" that squeezed through it would be some of the old timer Eagle guys who came from Chaparral, Flagship or Bizex. You don't have that problem anymore as 99% of the hires are cadets from pipeline universities who are thoroughly vetted and highly qualified. They are screened and hired as AA pilots from the get go. That's why Envoy doesn't have the problem Endeavor does. And in light of this, no, a preferential interview will never happen here.

Helij3t 07-29-2020 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 3101141)
If there is anybody "sketchy" that squeezed through it would be some of the old timer Eagle guys who came from Chaparral, Flagship or Bizex. You don't have that problem anymore as 99% of the hires are cadets from pipeline universities who are thoroughly vetted and highly qualified. They are screened and hired as AA pilots from the get go. That's why Envoy doesn't have the problem Endeavor does. And in light of this, no, a preferential interview will never happen here.

​​​​​​Please say it louder, we RTP guys at the back can't hear you!

NoValueAviator 07-29-2020 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 3101141)
If there is anybody "sketchy" that squeezed through it would be some of the old timer Eagle guys who came from Chaparral, Flagship or Bizex. You don't have that problem anymore as 99% of the hires are cadets from pipeline universities who are thoroughly vetted and highly qualified. They are screened and hired as AA pilots from the get go. That's why Envoy doesn't have the problem Endeavor does. And in light of this, no, a preferential interview will never happen here.

I don't totally disagree that on average the quality of regional pilots has gone up. I think it has, mostly, but it has nothing to do with special vetting or 141 cadets.

The difference is the money. Envoy (and the regionals generally, now) pay enough to attract professionals with options who live in tolerably low cost of living areas, and who want to make money flying. When you pay $19,000/yr and your employees learn w/in 12 months that 30% of that goes to work related expenses, crash pads etc, the people with options tend to leave, unless they truly love it and would've done it for free.

ninerdriver 07-29-2020 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 3101141)
If there is anybody "sketchy" that squeezed through it would be some of the old timer Eagle guys who came from Chaparral, Flagship or Bizex.

The Envoy kid in my crash pad who couldn't tell the difference between Montreal and Toronto would beg to differ.

pitchattitude 07-29-2020 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 3101141)
If there is anybody "sketchy" that squeezed through it would be some of the old timer Eagle guys who came from Chaparral, Flagship or Bizex. You don't have that problem anymore as 99% of the hires are cadets from pipeline universities who are thoroughly vetted and highly qualified. They are screened and hired as AA pilots from the get go. That's why Envoy doesn't have the problem Endeavor does. And in light of this, no, a preferential interview will never happen here.

That’s just another flat out LIE. Fortunately 99% of Envoy hires are NOT cadets. Envoy hires from all backgrounds.

Propeller 07-29-2020 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3101266)
That’s just another flat out LIE. Fortunately 99% of Envoy hires are NOT cadets. Envoy hires from all backgrounds.

Exactlly and the Class Drop List thread has the data to prove it too. In my newhire class only 5 were cadets.

GroundPointNine 07-29-2020 07:27 PM


Originally Posted by Propeller (Post 3101284)
Exactlly and the Class Drop List thread has the data to prove it too. In my newhire class only 5 were cadets.

Same. I believe we had 5-8 in my class of 25+.

OldBiff 07-31-2020 07:27 AM


Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 3099286)
Or be at a bar and talking it up with a potential date and having to tell them you work for Frontier? .

The fact that you think this is the reason you’re not getting lucky is peak incel pilot.

Dstblj52 07-31-2020 01:40 PM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 3101134)
You do realize AA WO’s have a flow to keep them staffed?

AA flow also keeps the WO cheap with few or no very senior pilots


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