Flow at 9.28 Years
 

Dafuq?

Envoy was hiring anyone with a pulse back in 2016/2017.

Who wasn’t? I mean seriously if you had a clean record any of them would hire you, if you had some issues Mesa would snatch you up.

In what world does any Legacy or Major need a WO to staff their airline?

The only people to actually believe that went to said WO to justify why they went to said WO. If you went to a WO, while taking a paycut, less insurance, less retirement than any other regional, all while justifying it for a flow to WO because "they need to staff the legacy", I'm not surprised why you believe what you said.

In theory, the flow from the 3 WO’s provide consistent and complete control on their hiring metrics. Companies, not just aviation companies, love to have as much control over their data as they can and the flow allows AAG to do just that. AAG can see EXACTLY the type of pilot we are, things that you simply cannot get out of a 1-1.5 hour interview. However, I don’t think that AAG NEEDS a WO to remain staffed, but it does provide the best insight into who they are hiring, if that makes sense.


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In a world where legacy airlines need to outsource flying to cheap regionals to help afford the higher pay rates of mainline flying. You know... the world we live in.

OR do you mean to ask, in what world does a Legacy or Major need a WO to help staff the Legacy or Major? If so, that's not what he was saying.

I thought that was literally what I just said, and him? I guess I missed the point.

I agree with everything you say, but I just don't think it happens that way in reality. How many examples are there that prove otherwise? Do you honestly think AA, as the example here, needs PSA, Piedmont and Envoy to be staffed? AA might not need to hire outside of the WO, but that doesn't necessarily mean they need to own them to staff AA. You look at Southwest, UPS, and FedEx. Obviously those are prime examples, but it also proves otherwise.

If Delta, United or AA had no WOs at all, do you think they wouldn't be staffed otherwise? What about Spirit or Frontier? As they say, if you pay, they will come. That isn't the same thing as a pipeline from a WO. If PSA, Piedmont, and Envoy weren't WO, you don't think they'd all apply to the Legacies or Majors anyway?

No matter WO or not, flow or not, every regional pilot would apply to the legacies or majors regardless. I don't think pilots went to Piedmont, PSA, or Envoy because they had good benefits or pay. They went for a flow, which is also why their WO benefits are below other regionals that aren't WO.

I think you did miss the point. He was saying that they use flow to keep their regionals staffed, not to keep AA staffed.

They don’t really need to keep either staffed now, unfortunately...

Ah. Well sure. That is also why people go to WO with a flow and accept lower pay and benefits than the non WO. It's also probably why so many people hate SkyWest.

You are backwards.

That is not what havick meant.

Big daddy needs a WO with flow to be staffed for the REGIONAL. The point of the flow is to control movement and cost at the WOs AND to keep those WO regionals staffed.

At no point anytime since deregulation and for quite a while before were the majors, legacies, national or what ever you want to call any airline that paid at least a living wage unable to find more than enough highly qualified pilots.