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Old 08-21-2020 | 07:08 AM
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Gotta say Cujo, that troll really knows how to push your buttons.
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Old 08-21-2020 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by biigD
Gotta say Cujo, that troll really knows how to push your buttons.
Just can't stand him misrepresenting EVERYTHING.... People are going to be making career and life decisions; they deserve facts, not fiction.... reality, not re-enactments.
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Old 08-21-2020 | 08:19 AM
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You guys just don't see it.
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Old 08-21-2020 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by dk104444
You guys just don't see it.
I guess they're assuming you skip the regionals entirely. I've seen it done but the pilot was a) female, b) related to a united mgmt pilot, and c) could actually fly. and she'll be getting furloughed soon.
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Old 08-21-2020 | 08:54 AM
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I guess they're assuming you skip the regionals entirely. I've seen it done but the pilot was a) female, b) related to a united mgmt pilot, and c) could actually fly. and she'll be getting furloughed soon.
That door closed before covid - it was still part of the CPP program, but you had to instruct at this very specific flight school for Lufthansa cadets - I met a few people while in UA training that had done that program. No strings attached, they took a risk and it paid off (long term).

Not that I have any skin in this fight anymore, but most people with financial literacy would tell you that in order to build wealth, high income today is so much more important than the prospect of higher income tomorrow. Think about how much debt you could pay off, how much more savings / investments you could have, or a mortgage verses renting. Those things will all mature and increase your own net worth more than maybe making group 4 captain pay in 30 years.

Plus - not everyone wants to fly domestically for AA, some people like the 'mission' of OAI, like the home basing, like seeing new parts of the world. I don't think it is appropriate to tell someone they picked a subpar carrier, even more-so when OAI is clearly not subpar. People make choices for what is best for them (except for scabbing) and we should recognize that what's good for one is not necessarily good for the other.

Except money now, we should all agree that money now is the most important thing:-)
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Old 08-21-2020 | 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by dk104444
You guys just don't see it.
Im going to have to call BS on this chart.
How are doctors still accumulating debt 8 years in, but pilots have already paid back their debt 3 years in?

At what point do they start counting and what career assumptions are they making?
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Old 08-21-2020 | 10:15 AM
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Old 08-21-2020 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by But seriously
Im going to have to call BS on this chart.
How are doctors still accumulating debt 8 years in, but pilots have already paid back their debt 3 years in?

At what point do they start counting and what career assumptions are they making?
Interesting that an aviation career consultant would make a graph comparing aviation favorably to other professions. I am sure the analysis was entirely objective. Anecdotally, I am better off than some of my lawyer friends (bleeding heart types avoiding the rat race at the big firms) but my doctor friends have me soundly beaten.
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Old 08-22-2020 | 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by But seriously
Im going to have to call BS on this chart.
Ya think......
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Old 08-23-2020 | 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by THKooj
Oh wow, our resident superhero is still on his vision quest. Look, there are some things that you say that do make sense but by far, you try and take credit for way too much stuff you had nothing to do with. You didn't single-handedly save ALPA and the profession. I give far more credit to Envoy management, who you so graciously discredit here, than anything ALPA has ever done. They actually created the pipeline program which helped solidify the flow and essentially one interview, one career at Envoy. It was a brilliant move in an environment where getting pilots was starting to get tough. Instead of going out and dragging dollar bills behind a pickup truck at FBOs hiring Billy Bob away from his cropduster or Virgil from flying that clapped out Baron for some wannabe oil prospector, they made one of the most genius moves in the industry. They partnered with the universities and worked in tandem with the program that essentially places the pipeline candidate in class on Day One more ready than just about anybody before in the history of Eagle/Envoy.

It's nice you've had a soft landing and are enjoying working at a sub par carrier, but let's face it, that's not for the vast majority. The smartest guys in the country have all found their way to a respective pipeline university and bought themselves an AA career.
Hahahahahaha ok crazy man....
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