Still a little too cold for that here...


:D

You guys worried about the flow should look much further ahead. There may not be an AA to flow to at this rate.

Yeah we have done that already however it’s far to scary to think about. So we worry about flow lol.

Daddy trump has already made it clear that won't happen.

What about when it's Daddy Biden in charge?

Thought he was campaigning for senator...LOL.

Grand daddy Biden isn’t even hardly in control of his own faculties. Have to worry about his running mate more than him.

Yeah but Trumpo the clown wants you to inject yourself with bleach if you feel sick.

really that what he said or what your news channel told you. Maybe you should try it out for us and get back with the results.

take a look at Venezuela for your future.

I’m sorry but I’m conservative and I c r i n g e d when I watched that press conference. That was just pure idiotic.

The debates this fall should be entertaining/depressing. Watching a narcissist and a dementia patient go at each other should be something to watch. Time to go pick the cleanest turd in the yard again.

Pretty much every vote I have made in my life has been about the lesser of two evils.

Now that I think about it, most of my employment decisions in this career have been about the same.

What was the DOH of the last person that flowed before this whole thing started?

03/04/2013

Not the original person, but sure.

"So, supposedly we hit the body with a tremendous, whether it’s ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said that hasn’t been checked, but you’re going to test it. And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re going to test that too. Sounds interesting, right? And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning because you see it gets in the lungs and it does a tremendous number on the lungs, so it’d be interesting to check that so that you’re going to have to use medical doctors with, but it sounds interesting to me. So, we’ll see, but the whole concept of the light, the way it kills it in one minute. That’s pretty powerful."

So yeah, that's what he said.

It’s fine. He was just being “sarcastic.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...-a9483151.html

I guess you’ve never seen anyone use an inhaler.

I guess you didn't read the quote:

An inhaler isn't an injection. Also, I sure wasn't the one to make the statement.

Biden is the Antidote
 

Don’t worry, Biden is the antidote. Here’s his plan:

"We Have To Take Care Of The Cure That Will Make The Problem Worse No Matter What"

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...tter_what.html

I agree though, the Trump comments are crazy too. Luckily for every one of his Biden has 10 MORE.

I read the quote and I am able to see it in context unlike others who are ready to find anything wrong with something he says. I don’t see the big deal.

Hey, as long as we're all aware of context. I'm not gonna tell anyone how to think.

Yeah it was just obvious sarcasm to test your reaction.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...navirus-trump/

Because no one has EVER injected the most toxic substance known to man into the human body to treat aging. Who would do such a thing? Or, how about Adriamycin? A toxic drug that will literally damage heart cells, just to fight cancer.

But, hey.... Trump didn't suggest those. He just generalized a disinfectant, which the media generalized that comment even further to come to the conclusion that he meant "people must inject themselves with Clorox to live".

Just the media doing what the media does best. Misinformation and opinion fueled by bias.

They'd do it in Oct for flowback bro...

But didn’t you read? He said he was just being sarcastic.

I first read about this "Trump said to inject chlorine (or whatever disinfectant here)". Then I watched ABC World news show the interaction... he was actually asking someone to the side along the lines of "is that something we can look into". I'll agree with whoever that it's a pretty dumb idea to even think about BUT to characterize his 'question' as a 'statement' is just plane dishonest. OH, and ABC characterized it as a statement several times in commentary... but at least they showed the video.

Trump calling it sarcasm is pretty dumb too. Should have gone with the 'out of context' line. Because it was. The guy just can't stop spewing falsities, even when not necessary.

Not only is the flow likely to be north of a decade for most people on property, but after the dust has settled from COVID, the status of the flow is likely up in the air when AAG inevitably declares bankruptcy yet again.

As far as I am concerned, the flow is essentially gone and everyone should get that into their minds. There are so many things that will either delay it so long it won't be worth anything, eliminate it altogether through BK or just flat out be to long for people to wait, that it might as well just go away at this point.

We all took the gamble and came to a WO for the flow, primarily, sadly we got burned and it didn't work out. Time to start working on exit plans or come to terms that you will be at this airline, with this management, with this toothless union for at least ten years. As a clarification, I dont blame the union for this, we just dont have any bite in our bark at this level because they know we are all trying to get out and dont want anything on our records. Now that things are more bleak, who knows, people may be willing to roll the dice a little more now.

For those that may get lucky and time this just right, great, but that is going to be a very small percentage. AA has sent out their WARN letters as well now, so all of those pilots get hired back before a flow starts up again.

At the end of the day, you either need to LOVE this lifestyle enough to come to terms with being a regional pilot for ever, or at least a much longer time than you ever thought, or start working on another career.

I really hate that I agree with this post completely and think it should be required reading.

Flow at 44.0 years.

There’s no reason to think they would throw out the flow agreement in bankruptcy. There are no cost savings involved in getting rid of it.

The last round of bankruptcy and then additional concessions the company actually offered to increase the flow.
They never truly honored their agreements, but that is a separate problem...

I mean you are not wrong, certainly. In fact, the offer they made this company was so good it is shocking the group didn't accept it. Had they, virtually all of them would have been at AA by now. Still, just because last time they did it and it was an increase to flow, doesnt mean they will do it again. Like you said, getting them to honor anything would be a tough job and I am not personally willing to take any concessions for a flow increase unless it is rock solid language, like 55% of every class, with no cap, has to be WO pilots. Even then, the flow has shown to be worthless given here we sit, with flow and it basically not existing.

You guys. Thboob said that the flow would not stop and in fact it’s SHRINKING!! Take heart!

he made me see the light. Leaving envoy was CRAZY stupid on my part when I could have waited 10-20 years on a possible flow?! I miss Waco and Harlingen already :-(

And they thought they would flow in 5.5 years!

The offer for increased flow (5 years ago) came with major pay concessions. That’s why they voted no. Exactly what you said you would do in the second half of your answer.

As for everyone mocking the flow, I’m not sure what the “I told you so” is all about. You could have 5000TPIC, 3 PHD’s, run your own homeless shelter and have a space shuttle type rating, and you still won’t be flying for a Legacy carrier in the next 3 years minimum.

Were you hired by Spirit or Frontier at the time? Just curious

Thats not the one I am referring too. I am referring to the one that gave us like 50% of each new hire class had to come from Envoy (this percentage could be wrong, I am trying to go off memory here). This would be the offer before AA got ****ed, sent the planes to Compass and offered us our current contract. Essentially the pilot group overplayed their hand, thought they meant more to AA and were quickly spanked for it, pretty hard.

I dont think I am saying "I told you so" and I may have to go back and re-read comments, but I dont recall anyone saying it either, perhaps I missed one. I think we are all disappointed it didn't work out and are all coming to the conclusion that we need to give up that idea and focus more on hard contract improvements, given our current sentence at Envoy.