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10-20-2019 | 05:49 PM
#21
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Like you said you should start a new thread. I think it’s worth it.
10-20-2019 | 06:09 PM
#22
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A bit of misinformation in here concerning direct or near entry captains.
In ORD, CA's on the 145 can hold a line after about 1 year and 10 months and DFW reserve after about 1 year, looking at the current list. ORD seems to be the junior base at the moment but we all know that can change with the next bid.
175 can be held as reserve line after about 14-16 months in ORD.
DFW, you are looking at more than 2 years to get a 175 reserve line.
Of course this all can change as well the more 175's we get.
In ORD, CA's on the 145 can hold a line after about 1 year and 10 months and DFW reserve after about 1 year, looking at the current list. ORD seems to be the junior base at the moment but we all know that can change with the next bid.
175 can be held as reserve line after about 14-16 months in ORD.
DFW, you are looking at more than 2 years to get a 175 reserve line.
Of course this all can change as well the more 175's we get.
10-20-2019 | 07:37 PM
#23
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Don’t be a dick. Just tell him how you want everything run ahead of time. Don’t expect him to read your mind and don’t get ****y when he does something you don’t like. Ex. FOs 90% of the time shut the APU after second engine start. I tell my FOs leave the APU on and the packs supplying the bleeds to help keep everyone cool. Also don’t flip out he shuts it down because of habit. This helps start the tone of I’m running the show and this is how I like things done. Just don’t be an ass about it. Also, you have FOs that have tons of aviator experience and I would suggest you lean on that experience rather than trying to show who’s boss. Communicate. It’s their ass that’s on the line too.
Like you said you should start a new thread. I think it’s worth it.
Like you said you should start a new thread. I think it’s worth it.
Some of the best captains I had at XJT were easy going enough and confident in their captain ability to allow me to fly the plane without all the prompting and overbearing “you should keep your water bottle here, it’s the best place on the flight deck to hold it” 🙄
10-20-2019 | 07:47 PM
#24
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A bit of misinformation in here concerning direct or near entry captains.
In ORD, CA's on the 145 can hold a line after about 1 year and 10 months and DFW reserve after about 1 year, looking at the current list. ORD seems to be the junior base at the moment but we all know that can change with the next bid.
175 can be held as reserve line after about 14-16 months in ORD.
DFW, you are looking at more than 2 years to get a 175 reserve line.
Of course this all can change as well the more 175's we get.
In ORD, CA's on the 145 can hold a line after about 1 year and 10 months and DFW reserve after about 1 year, looking at the current list. ORD seems to be the junior base at the moment but we all know that can change with the next bid.
175 can be held as reserve line after about 14-16 months in ORD.
DFW, you are looking at more than 2 years to get a 175 reserve line.
Of course this all can change as well the more 175's we get.
10-20-2019 | 07:59 PM
#25
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From: Whale FO
10-20-2019 | 10:09 PM
#26
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From: Pawn
Don’t be a dick. Just tell him how you want everything run ahead of time. Don’t expect him to read your mind and don’t get ****y when he does something you don’t like. Ex. FOs 90% of the time shut the APU after second engine start. I tell my FOs leave the APU on and the packs supplying the bleeds to help keep everyone cool. Also don’t flip out he shuts it down because of habit. This helps start the tone of I’m running the show and this is how I like things done. Just don’t be an ass about it. Also, you have FOs that have tons of aviator experience and I would suggest you lean on that experience rather than trying to show who’s boss. Communicate. It’s their ass that’s on the line too.
Like you said you should start a new thread. I think it’s worth it.
Like you said you should start a new thread. I think it’s worth it.
I always subscribed to the cooperate to graduate mantra as a first officer, but I certainly appreciated captains who said “if I don’t call for it and you think it’s time to run a checklist, then do it.” Those captains were the kind that allowed you to develop technique and start honing judgement in a new way.
10-20-2019 | 10:19 PM
#27
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From: Whale FO
I had some pretty cool captains. They'd take you out and bust the hell out of you and then... go get you drunk, stuff like that - Randall “Pink” Floyd
I always subscribed to the cooperate to graduate mantra as a first officer, but I certainly appreciated captains who said “if I don’t call for it and you think it’s time to run a checklist, then do it.” Those captains were the kind that allowed you to develop technique and start honing judgement in a new way.
I always subscribed to the cooperate to graduate mantra as a first officer, but I certainly appreciated captains who said “if I don’t call for it and you think it’s time to run a checklist, then do it.” Those captains were the kind that allowed you to develop technique and start honing judgement in a new way.
And then 5 seconds later they call for descent checklist.
10-21-2019 | 05:33 AM
#28
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From: Pawn
That’s a pride issue. We’re on the same team. It’s us against the world, and I don’t want to do paperwork, so if I forget, you should do some of that CRM stuff and prod me. I don’t have time for the whole lording over the cockpit that other captains love so much.
10-21-2019 | 10:04 AM
#29
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Great points. I appreciate it. Yeah I don’t want to be “that captain” and I’m sure I won’t. I’m not a “show them who is boss” kind of guy, which is why I asked the question. It will be a learning curve though, letting my “newness” to the seat smooth out.
Some of the best captains I had at XJT were easy going enough and confident in their captain ability to allow me to fly the plane without all the prompting and overbearing “you should keep your water bottle here, it’s the best place on the flight deck to hold it” 🙄
Some of the best captains I had at XJT were easy going enough and confident in their captain ability to allow me to fly the plane without all the prompting and overbearing “you should keep your water bottle here, it’s the best place on the flight deck to hold it” 🙄
Honestly it’s not the 3.5 stripes FOs you have to worry about it’s the 2.5 stripes.
10-21-2019 | 12:44 PM
#30
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The first i had to have a team chat with and let him know i valued his experience but i was responsible and he should speak up if anything is unsafe or not sop.
the second, i was PM and he called for flaps up in a bank right at acceleration in light to moderate at about 150kts, I delayed until he rolled out and put them up. He claimed i didn't understand maneuvering speed while at about 1000ft and tried to explain it... and i told him to shut up and fly.
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