Why doesn’t the union come out and tell us how many took it then so we can all rest easy knowing another round is coming, from a managment team that currently isn’t communicating.

Dera I know this is personal for you so I am going to walk away. I have stated my opinion many times and made it clear the company would behave just the way they have.

Time will tell and I sincerely hope I can come back on here sooner rather than later and admit how wrong I was.

Care to clarify? Enlighten us all on the information you have that makes this deal so great for the “majority” of the pilot group Until then you are digging in just as much as I am.

****, and I thought AIP week was bad.

You could count the number of pilots opposing this deal with your fingers. Majority was either "meh, who cares" or "ok sounds like a plan". The ones opposing this are the loud militant ones such as yourself, who think we had some magic "leverage" with this. We had a substantial number of pilots who were in a position to take this deal, and you want to deny this in hopes of getting your elusive deal that wasn't even on the drawing board.
Which one exposes pilots more to the risks? Denying this from everyone hoping they will come back immediately with a deal that is 2.5 times better because you believe so? Or giving this opportunity to a bunch of pilots, and seeing if it is enough? You need to run for a position if you believe you have the support for your POV.

It was offered to all 3 WO's in parity. PDT already ratified theirs before we did, and PSA didn't even have to discuss it. It's hard to have "leverage" when the others have already agreed to it.

Just so we all understand, there is no pilot leverage available for covid 19. Best case is maintain status quo. I dont like it, but covid is covid.

Have to call BS here. I personally know of more than that many people who emailed and said we thought it shouldn’t be taken. There were more than that many that grumbled at the call in and more than that many on this forum. Are you saying I ONLY know nine other people and those HAPPEN to be the ones that post on this forum and made the call in??

BS. Like I posted before, why doesn’t the union tell us exactly what the count was and how it was determined???

People seems to be more ****ed off about an LOA that is completely voluntary than losing 5hrs of pay and the list goes on-lemme catch my breath. Or am I miss something?

This didn't answer the question, how many accepted the deal? I hardly think I am militant. Do you just choose to attached this description to those who happen to disagree with your stance? I find it telling that someone arguing for the betterment of the entire pilot group is labeled that way by you and yet the company, the ones truly doing underhanded, dishonest things, you choose to defend their offer.

All of this information was known. What method did you use to accurately determine "majority"? Just because PDT and PSA accept it doesn't mean we have too. How would anyone know if there is a better deal out there if everyone agrees to the first one offered? Thats like negotiation 101, dont accept the first offer.

I know of a lot more than 5 people that disliked the deal and felt we should have held out for more.

Sure if you look at in simple terms of hourly pay, however there is another caveat to it and that is our health. The best case scenario would be to get a livable wage while allowing us to minimize our exposure to risk. The 19 hours doesn't do it for all but a small minority. The rest of us need to continue to expose ourselves and families to higher risks.

Yeah I am upset over that as well, but the language is the language as of now. If there is a violation the union will eventually file a grievance over it. That was a deal made long before this current MEC.