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skyemiles2 04-04-2020 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by 6ix9ineYearFlow (Post 3023261)
So how does Envoy come out of this COVID-19 crisis? Obviously our fate is tied to AAG (which, unfortunately, is not a good place to be). Do the wholly-owneds merge? Does AA relax scope and we get hosed with flying bigger jets (i.e. less mainline flying)? Does our flow get torn up in a bankruptcy? Do we get absorbed at mainline? Does Carole Baskin douse us in sardine oil and feed us to the tigers?

Probably the latter.

Crystal ball still hazy. Ask again later.

rld1k 04-04-2020 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by 6ix9ineYearFlow (Post 3023261)
So how does Envoy come out of this COVID-19 crisis? Obviously our fate is tied to AAG (which, unfortunately, is not a good place to be). Do the wholly-owneds merge? Does AA relax scope and we get hosed with flying bigger jets (i.e. less mainline flying)? Does our flow get torn up in a bankruptcy? Do we get absorbed at mainline? Does Carole Baskin douse us in sardine oil and feed us to the tigers?

We get closer to October with not much changed and management comes for concessions "to prevent furloughs", then after gutting our pay and work rules they furlough 800 pilots. We get an HI6 lazily typed up in 15 seconds with multiple typos that ends in "sorry lol"

Voski 04-04-2020 10:14 AM


Originally Posted by rld1k (Post 3023290)
We get closer to October with not much changed and management comes for concessions "to prevent furloughs", then after gutting our pay and work rules they furlough 800 pilots. We get an HI6 lazily typed up in 15 seconds with multiple typos that ends in "sorry lol"

I agree with you on everything except for work rules. We don’t really have any work rules left over from the last bankruptcy/concessionary contract. As if this place wasn’t rough enough ...

Happyflyer 04-04-2020 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by 6ix9ineYearFlow (Post 3023261)
So how does Envoy come out of this COVID-19 crisis? Obviously our fate is tied to AAG (which, unfortunately, is not a good place to be). Do the wholly-owneds merge? Does AA relax scope and we get hosed with flying bigger jets (i.e. less mainline flying)? Does our flow get torn up in a bankruptcy? Do we get absorbed at mainline? Does Carole Baskin douse us in sardine oil and feed us to the tigers?

30% mainline reduction, all 50'seaters gone, think Southwest with heavy's, or Hawaiian, or Jet Blue, or Alaska, and some large RJ's.

The inheritable value of the large network is gone, think of why no startups have RJ's, and instead build robust point to point service, then expand to hubs w/ connections.

Too hard to make money on day 1 with a rual coast to cost network, and legacys may have to start at day 1 when this is over.

There is a response from Scot Kirby basically lol'ing when he heard Frontier was gonna put Denver on connections with banks of flights.

Chato 04-05-2020 06:24 AM

so what kind of deal is Endeavor getting in NY. Sounds like they don't have to report to work and still get paid min guaranteed for the month. Not too bad

havick206 04-05-2020 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by Chato (Post 3024114)
so what kind of deal is Endeavor getting in NY. Sounds like they don't have to report to work and still get paid min guaranteed for the month. Not too bad

Company will tout flow for disparity in conditions between ENY and EDV.

Chato 04-05-2020 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by havick206 (Post 3024345)
Company will tout flow for disparity in conditions between ENY and EDV.

Only flow I see happening soon is to the unemployment line.

dera 04-05-2020 06:30 PM


Originally Posted by Chato (Post 3024114)
so what kind of deal is Endeavor getting in NY. Sounds like they don't have to report to work and still get paid min guaranteed for the month. Not too bad

That's their deal. Wouldn't it be cool if we had something similar...

buddies8 04-05-2020 06:44 PM

Parker wants his pound of flesh. Pedro is just a stooge.

highfarfast 04-05-2020 06:58 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3024825)
That's their deal. Wouldn't it be cool if we had something similar...

Heh, good.

/filler/


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