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Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3011659)

AA seniority numbers alone are fairly worthless. Ask the guys who had them for a decade to flow..... you need more protections than just numbers, way more

They are not the same as actually having a job over there, but they are not worthless. Some of those guys stepped on property senior to people who were already there. They also went over with a few years longevity (some did anyway). Again, it’s not the same as a job, but it ain’t nothing.

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Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 3011646)

Exactly. That's well said. You are already American. Flow is on a short pause. In the meantime, what part of having a 100k job is bad??

Enjoy is NOT American. This is abundantly clear with what has already been offered up to AA pilots. Envoy Mgt is offering nothing but offenses.

As for flow being a SHORT pause, you have your head so deep in the sand it is stuck back up your @$$. The entire world economy has taken a dump unlike anything ever seen. I would be surprised if AA hires again before next year.

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Originally Posted by Smutter (Post 3011864)

I fully agree with this.

I do miss the occasional condescending email from RN though.

You mean like expect scrutiny and entering our flight id correctly in the RMU?!

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Originally Posted by dera (Post 3011749)

I believe we are mixing seniority numbers and a single list.

1) First I’ve heard of this.
2) Really surprised this post has gone ignored.

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Originally Posted by highfarfast (Post 3012051)

1) First I’ve heard of this.
2) Really surprised this post has gone ignored.

I totally missed it. That is significant if true.

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Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3012208)

I totally missed it. That is significant if true.

Its not true. That’s why you missed it.

It has been discussed in the past. So have reserve improvements...

Nothing currently

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Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 3011646)

Exactly. That's well said. You are already American. Flow is on a short pause. In the meantime, what part of having a 100k job is bad??

you need to go away. Your schtick is unwarranted at this time.

Good news everyone!

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Originally Posted by dera (Post 3011749)

I believe we are mixing seniority numbers and a single list.

I (we, but mostly me) tried in 2013. We had it worked out with APA for a single list. Short version is after three meetings the company wouldn't go along. Hopefully their attitude has changed. That said, you now have an APA BOD twice the size of the one we had to work with. Also, with the E190 going away, the gap jet fence, would have the be elsewhere. Finally, you have three WO eagles now instead of just one. First step, if I may suggest....
Envoy dump ALPA and select APA
Envoy then file single carrier against the other two Eagles forcing a representation vote. Same uniforms, same branding, same ticket sales source, same controlling parent, just about all the triggers for single carrier are already there. ALPA won't want to do it because they know it eventually leads to thousands of members leaving for another union. Obviously AA/Envoy win that and now everybody is APA.
The rest I'll leave to you. Feel free to call if you want the old paperwork on what was worked out previously.