100+ AA employees, 600+ southwest employees tested positive for the Rona. Why are we still flying? Some flight empty, some have double digit pax. Why the hell are people flying around when the whole country is practically on a shelter in place order.
And the company thinks they can provide 2 masks per day per pilot. What a joke.

 

Lets get some obvious things out of the way so we can narrow this down.

1. I feel it is largely understood that those who choose not to accept this PLOA will not lose any money. Great.
2. There are those that would rather take less money and not fly in order to protect themselves and their loved ones.
3. 19 hours of pays is simply not enough to live on for all but a small majority.
4. The union hasn't released a number for the amount of pilots that took the deal and I imagine they won't.
5. Leverage can be many things and in many forms. This isn't a simple answer.
6. Just because our other wholly owns take a deal, doesn't mean we need too.

It is my belief, as I have stated before, that by taking the deal that was offered, we helped a small portion of our pilot group while doing nothing for the rest. Last I checked we all pay the same dues, therefore should all be represented equally. This LOA doesn't do that. Sure, the argument could be made that anyone could have taken it, but again, that isn't reality.

In addition, by taking this offer, you are essentially shutting the door, albeit perhaps not forever, on any further improvements. This has also come true, as the MEC just sent an email stating the company isn't talking. Dera wants to make the argument that by allowing at least some of our pilots to take the LOA, we are at helping them. Sure, this is accurate, but I dont think it should have been done at the expense of the rest and wouldn't even more paid hours have helped as well? Dera also wants to point out that this is some mythical deal that I am dreaming up, well maybe it is, however Dera also cant tell me they wouldn't have come back to the table, so my plan would have been just as valid in this sense as the MEC's. I mean if we rejected this, they would have had two options. Furlough or come back with more. My guess is that it is too soon for the furlough talk, especially with the stimulus package that was going through Congress at the time, of which furlough protections were widely known.

At the end of the day, this was a judgment call by our MEC. It SHOULD have been a pilot vote since it involved pay, schedules and the global pandemic. I disagree with the MEC on this one, I choose to be vocal about it, but at the end of the day I do appreciate our union and what they do. If that makes me "militant" so be it.

 

Yeah I just chuckled when I read that. Like what the hell, what about all the exposure the last two weeks? Some of us have it and dont know it yet. As is the usual, AA?Envoy are always the last to the party on things like employee health/safety/qol.

 

For clarification,

if we opt to take a 1 year leave , but hiring picks up and they call us before the 1 year, Will we have to return exactly at 30 days notice to return? Will they go by seniority order on recall from leave or how will it work.

 

Email enypilothour

 

Or just read the LOA. It is spelled out there.

 

They won’t really file anything unless individuals file a bunch themselves and then they group them.

 

They can file an MEC grievance. They have to determine if there is an actual violation here though. It’s definitely a d*ck move, and angers me greatly. Unfortunately, that is not exactly grounds for a grievance.

 

I know you know this, but I think a small clarification has to be made here.
No individual pilot can file a "grievance" themselves. They are disputes at that point. The union will then discuss them with the company, and if there is a violation they can not resolve, they union will file a grievance and that's where the process starts. Most disputes are handled at this level and they never escalate to a grievance.

So it's not that the union "won't" file anything, it's that the pilots have to send the disputes first. MEC grievances are different but I'm not sure if they see this as a MEC grievance.

I've heard from a somewhat credible source that the issue is that pilots don't file disputes, they just go to facebook or APC and complain about things.

 

Hopefully enycba website will help with that some.
I remember having a situation in my first year here when I felt the contract was being violated. Talked to contract compliance, was told where to find the DTS and to go ahead and file a dispute, zero further guidance.
Which section is being violated? Uhm... somewhere in this general vicinity, I think? What do you want as compensation? I dunno, what's the going rate? About tree fiddy?