rld1k

Why was the union selling that turd to the pilot group? Would have failed if given a vote and no endorsement by the union

NoValueAviator

I'm not sure exactly what anyone else is thinking, but I felt like the MEC's position was that, for it to become obvious that more $$$ was needed, pilots had to be offered the 19 hour leave option and not take it in sufficient numbers that they'd have to come up with something better.

From my perspective, as the commuter situation continues to deteriorate, even 19 hours might look generous in a few months, depending on how bad things get. Keep in mind, around 60% of us are commuters. I know many people coming from tier 2 cities that aren't hubs that have essentially lost daily air service.

Cyio

Their argument was that it didn't "cost" us anything. We didn't need to give anything up for it. I however argue, that by agreeing to it, we have potentially helped just enough that the company either won't come back for more or that they won't have to for much longer.

I dont like when we get things for only 10% of us. This is the same as our LOA issues two years ago that shuttled the PP's out leaving the rest of us on our own. Sure, I am happy that some of our pilots that can make 19 hours a month work get to stay home and be safe, but meanwhile I would guess the other 2000 of us get to wait patiently, always wondering if we are bringing back Covid to our families.

If it were me, I would have held out and asked for more. Virtually every other regional has a better offer than we do. Sure, Dera will chime in soon and say they gave up concessions, but what they had to give up wasn't a reduction in pay, it was a reduction in line hours, which even with the reduction, gives them higher values than most of ours.

In addition, they had to give up some OT stuff, but really who is wanting to fly OT if you are taking a PLOA? I think the union missed a big chance, but I also could be totally wrong. I sincerely hope I am as nothing would make me happier than the company coming back with a 50 hour PLOA.

Cyio

I thought about that as well, but if that is true, it is pretty crappy to continue to expose us to higher risks. The better option would have been a flat out refusal or a pilot vote. Would send the same message except the company would have to come back to us sooner. We have essentially bought the company time, at our expense.

teamflyer

Anyone get their iPads yet from the buyback?

BigZ

yeah, long time ago

highfarfast

Speaking of ipads, weren't we supposed to have the new mounts in the airplane by now?

teamflyer

What about the ones we returned and paid 135 to buy our old ones, did anyone get their old ipad back

Chato

from what i hear, you’re not getting the same ipad. You will get a random ipad, NOT the one you used to have.

But seriously

That was not the deal specifically written in the company offer. I’m not saying they won’t screw us, but it specifically said you were getting your own iPad back.