Envoy?
01-08-2020, 07:32 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM
You can lose OT pay if it carries over into the next month and touches a reserve day on your next month's bid and gets recoded as voluntary reserve flying (flying fly free).
You CAN lose it, but you don't have to.
01-08-2020, 11:02 PM
#32
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Originally Posted by dera
I don't think you understand what that part means. If you read it, slowly, you might figure it out.
Think how OT is awarded for reserves, and what restrictions they have. How do you think this situation would occur? Pay close attention to the "same calendar month" part. It's pretty important.
Think how OT is awarded for reserves, and what restrictions they have. How do you think this situation would occur? Pay close attention to the "same calendar month" part. It's pretty important.
How does this situation occur? Hmmm... Well, let's say that I pick up OT on the 10th... a nice 4.5 hours of credit for a 3 hour turn. This months schedule ends 5 on, 2 off, 3 on. On the 20th, the next month schedule gets awarded. It starts 4 on 2 off 5 on....
So, if I combine those together I get 5 on, 2 off, 7 on, 2 off, 5 on. Oops, there's a 7 day... need to split that up. Can I request a specific day off? Nope. Can I swap days to resolve this issue? Nope, denied due to staffing.
I can opt to let scheduling adjust my schedule at their discretion (yikes), but sliding a day changes it to 5 on, 1 off, 3 on, 1 off, 4 on, 2 off, 5 on. Ouch. Or 5 on, 2 off, 3 on, 1 off, 4 on, 1 off, 5 on. Not better.
Or, I can let them drop a day, giving me 5 on, 2 off, 2 on, 1 off, 4 on, 2 off 5 on. This costs me 3.9 hours of my 4.5 hours of overtime... meaning I worked on a day off for .6 hours of pay. Cha-ching.
BECAUSE IT IS NOT PAY PROTECTED!!!!!
How often is there a 7 day conflict between reserve lines?... just about every single month.
Is this industry leading pay protection? Absolutely not.
01-09-2020, 02:36 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by Tyrion
So, if I combine those together I get 5 on, 2 off, 7 on, 2 off, 5 on. Oops, there's a 7 day... need to split that up. Can I request a specific day off? Nope. Can I swap days to resolve this issue? Nope, denied due to staffing.
I can opt to let scheduling adjust my schedule at their discretion (yikes), but sliding a day changes it to 5 on, 1 off, 3 on, 1 off, 4 on, 2 off, 5 on. Ouch. Or 5 on, 2 off, 3 on, 1 off, 4 on, 1 off, 5 on. Not better.
01-09-2020, 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by dera
That's what RF 100 TRAN is for.
You CAN lose it, but you don't have to.
You CAN lose it, but you don't have to.
01-09-2020, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by dera
So you just said you are pay protected, but might not like the schedule?
It is frightening how much you don't know and what you think is acceptable in this industry.
01-14-2020, 12:52 PM
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Like where
Originally Posted by Tyrion
The pay should not be a draw to come to Envoy.
Your pay is based off of two things... hourly rate and hours you credit multiplied together.
Envoy has a decent hourly rate, but the hours you can credit are horrible. There are several places to go where you can easily credit well above 100 hours per month. At Envoy, plan on the 72/(75 reserve) min month guarantee. You can scrap together some overtime to bump it up, but you'll probably end up losing some of it with our poor pay protections.
The bonuses are bigger other places, too.
Your pay is based off of two things... hourly rate and hours you credit multiplied together.
Envoy has a decent hourly rate, but the hours you can credit are horrible. There are several places to go where you can easily credit well above 100 hours per month. At Envoy, plan on the 72/(75 reserve) min month guarantee. You can scrap together some overtime to bump it up, but you'll probably end up losing some of it with our poor pay protections.
The bonuses are bigger other places, too.
another thing is their base close to CMH is ORD, PDT have PHL which is close to CMH but don't know if there are daily flights to commute.
01-14-2020, 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by speedbrakearmed
I do think that you're being a bit harsh as well. As a new hire, you'll probably end up sitting reserve no more than 6 months (again depends what base/what plane). The biggest attraction to Envoy (aside from Flow) is the movement in seniority....well because of the flow. I know guys at Endeavor/Republic who've left for other companies because an upgrade is out of sight due to the stagnation there. At Envoy you'll at least be able to upgrade once you hit your 950 hours.
But to answer to the OP
1) Nothing is tough if you study
2) Plan on the 145
3) Pay could be worse
But to answer to the OP
1) Nothing is tough if you study
2) Plan on the 145
3) Pay could be worse
To compare Envoy vs Peidmont is their base close to CMH is ORD, PDT have PHL which is close to CMH but don't know if there are daily flights to CMH to commute.
The reserve in ORD should be around 3 months but don't know Peidmont Philli reserve time to compare.
01-14-2020, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Fonzo
Ok the only 145 operators with 50/hour are PDT and ENV, who else?
To compare Envoy vs Peidmont is their base close to CMH is ORD, PDT have PHL which is close to CMH but don't know if there are daily flights to CMH to commute.
The reserve in ORD should be around 3 months but don't know Peidmont Philli reserve time to compare.
To compare Envoy vs Peidmont is their base close to CMH is ORD, PDT have PHL which is close to CMH but don't know if there are daily flights to CMH to commute.
The reserve in ORD should be around 3 months but don't know Peidmont Philli reserve time to compare.
01-14-2020, 01:09 PM
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Thank you
Originally Posted by speedbrakearmed
If you're comparing Envoy vs Piedmont, Envoy is just a much bigger company which in turn equates to more resources, generally more growth, more opportunity, more flow, I will say there was a small group of PDT pilots who got in at the right time and spent under 5 years at PDT before they flowed, but as for a NH I think Envoy would make more sense. I know of a handful of CMH commuters and CMH to ORD is done on Envoy metal so you'd have priority on the JS for that.
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