Coming to Envoy: 11 Things You Need to Know
01-15-2020, 04:23 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by DescendVia
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The 175s are coming from Compass fairly soon. Think it will be 20 of them.
The 175s are coming from Compass fairly soon. Think it will be 20 of them.
That being said, as unfortunate as it is, if Compass has not found some other flying by that time, the last several may show up together because Compass won’t be viable as they get down to their last few aircraft.
01-16-2020, 03:23 AM
#33
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Originally Posted by Pedro4President
He makes 11 points about Envoy and you pick flow to try to discredit him. When we talk about flow there are no facts. None zip zilch. It’s all best guess. Doesn’t mean he is right or wrong but in all honesty it’s just opinions we are talking about. Everything else he said was pretty factual. There were a few things that may be debatable but definitely everything thing he said apart from flow is either fact or the most likely scenario to play out for a new hire.
If we’re talking about flow though I don’t think the OP can get away with saying the flow is likely going to be 7 years and post how many pilots will get hired in 2020. Flow will drop to sub 6 years by July/August and stay there. IMO! I don’t see it coming back up above 6 years with that amount of hiring. But Envoy pilots can be lazy and not get their apps out.
If we’re talking about flow though I don’t think the OP can get away with saying the flow is likely going to be 7 years and post how many pilots will get hired in 2020. Flow will drop to sub 6 years by July/August and stay there. IMO! I don’t see it coming back up above 6 years with that amount of hiring. But Envoy pilots can be lazy and not get their apps out.
I'm glad that you can see the numbers the rest of us are looking at and I concur with you 100% that the flow is going to be sub 6 years for long into the foreseeable future. I'm standing by my prediction of a 3 to 4 year flow in the end when everything shakes out. American has huge retirement numbers and they are going to need pilots! Envoy is very well positioned with the extremely large number of apps on file and with the massive interest in the pipeline program. Don't forget that AAG essentially invented this program and it has been going gangbusters. Of course, when the end result is an AA pilot, the product is the draw.
01-16-2020, 03:35 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by THKooj
I'm glad that you can see the numbers the rest of us are looking at and I concur with you 100% that the flow is going to be sub 6 years for long into the foreseeable future. I'm standing by my prediction of a 3 to 4 year flow in the end when everything shakes out. American has huge retirement numbers and they are going to need pilots! Envoy is very well positioned with the extremely large number of apps on file and with the massive interest in the pipeline program. Don't forget that AAG essentially invented this program and it has been going gangbusters. Of course, when the end result is an AA pilot, the product is the draw.
01-16-2020, 05:38 PM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
What’s your point? This is an ongoing rumor/assumption. If, likely when, they show up it will be at the same 2-3/month the other 175s have been delivered and there will be no radical changes to anything.
That being said, as unfortunate as it is, if Compass has not found some other flying by that time, the last several may show up together because Compass won’t be viable as they get down to their last few aircraft.
That being said, as unfortunate as it is, if Compass has not found some other flying by that time, the last several may show up together because Compass won’t be viable as they get down to their last few aircraft.
01-16-2020, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Cyio
Ok great, just like Cujo. Good to know.
Cujo doesn’t work here anymore and his old connections were, by my guess, more on the union side while the other guy seems to have recruitment connections and works within AAG, makes a bit more sense but still
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