Furlough Protection
03-27-2020 | 10:41 AM
#21
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I don't think anyone read the question, they just read my answer. The question was why would they want to furlough still, and the answer is free money. I don't know if they can. Maybe, probably not. If they test it by furloughing WO regional employees to save a couple bucks (we're basically free anyway and they only have to wait until October) it'll get litigated. However unlikely it is, it wouldn't surprise me, AA likes to chase small money.
I think banking on a second bailout just for American because they are the only airline that can't make money even when times are good is pretty far out.
For my part, I'm less afraid of being furloughed from the Voy and more afraid of APA giving up scope relief to keep the music going a little while longer. No business can operate at a loss forever. They're going to want to focus on things where they know they can make money. Like regional seat miles.
I think banking on a second bailout just for American because they are the only airline that can't make money even when times are good is pretty far out.
For my part, I'm less afraid of being furloughed from the Voy and more afraid of APA giving up scope relief to keep the music going a little while longer. No business can operate at a loss forever. They're going to want to focus on things where they know they can make money. Like regional seat miles.
03-27-2020 | 10:43 AM
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Agreed except that the regional feed is profitable because we are flying it. You stick captains and FO’s making three times as much plus all the other benefits and that margin goes down. Not to mention we are flying fuel efficient aircraft with a high first class to coach ratio, e175 that is.
03-27-2020 | 12:45 PM
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For my part, I'm less afraid of being furloughed from the Voy and more afraid of APA giving up scope relief to keep the music going a little while longer. No business can operate at a loss forever. Management is going to want to focus on things where they know they can make money. Like regional seat miles.
edit: made it clearer
edit: made it clearer
03-27-2020 | 05:54 PM
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I will.
Envoy ALPA would have to agree to flowbacks. AA can't just do it because they want to. APA can't just do it because they want to. AA and APA together can't just do it because they want to. With the current situation what it is, it's hard to imagine Envoy ALPA giving in to flowbacks for anything given it could mean almost all of Envoy's pilot group furloughed in a few months as AA furloughs a few thousand pilots (not out of the relm of possibilities).
Envoy ALPA would have to agree to flowbacks. AA can't just do it because they want to. APA can't just do it because they want to. AA and APA together can't just do it because they want to. With the current situation what it is, it's hard to imagine Envoy ALPA giving in to flowbacks for anything given it could mean almost all of Envoy's pilot group furloughed in a few months as AA furloughs a few thousand pilots (not out of the relm of possibilities).
03-27-2020 | 06:15 PM
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Be open minded? Anything is possible in a mutually beneficial deal. Sadly, Envoy has not shown any willingness or ability to engage in that and only DEMANDS things, and very rarely bestows things, with no openness to discussion.
We should be better than management and at least be open to hearing things in my opinion.
We should be better than management and at least be open to hearing things in my opinion.
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