Furlough Protection
04-02-2020 | 06:12 AM
#61
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Because they don't care about you or your feelings, and have their lawyers looking at what they can and can't do.
It's certainly a risky move to take taxpayer money and furlough the taxpayers, after agreeing they wouldn't, them using lawyer language to circumnavigate.
So can AA find better lawyers than the ones who drafted the bill, and can they settle the lawsuit cheaper than 5 months of payroll.
It's certainly a risky move to take taxpayer money and furlough the taxpayers, after agreeing they wouldn't, them using lawyer language to circumnavigate.
So can AA find better lawyers than the ones who drafted the bill, and can they settle the lawsuit cheaper than 5 months of payroll.
04-02-2020 | 06:43 AM
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no one is excited for anyone to furlough, just offering words of caution towards thinking this is a guaranteed no furlough situation for everyone. The bill says specifically that Air Carriers who take the grants cannot furlough. AAG is not an air carrier, AAL is. And Envoy is not a subsidiary of AAL. In fact, AAL and Envoy, two separate air carriers, are both subsidiaries of AAG. If the money is awarded to AAG, then yes all WO pilots would be included, if the money is applied for and awarded to American Airlines, Inc. then there may be reason to worry at a wholly owned since a furlough there would not constitute a furlough at AAL.
04-02-2020 | 06:43 AM
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Nobody wants to see anybody furloughed. It’s just that regional pilots are never really in anyone’s sight picture when these things are planned out.
04-02-2020 | 06:44 AM
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yeah they are working on hiring one of the guys who drafted the 2008/2009 bailout package. Won’t be a lawsuit when the bill specifically says an air carrier who takes money can’t furlough. That air carrier would be American Airlines, a separate air carrier/entity than Envoy Airlines.
04-02-2020 | 06:50 AM
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I am not under the impression we can avoid furlough. I am planning for a 100% chance of an Envoy furlough on October 1st if demand doesn’t come surging back. Just sharing what ALPA said, which is that if AA gets grant money we will be protected.
04-02-2020 | 06:52 AM
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AAL doesn’t have any subsidiaries... AAG has subsidiaries including AAL. If AAG takes the money then yes you’ll be fine. If there are loop holes to exploit to allow AAL to take the money, then you won’t be safe. Again, AAL does not have subsidiaries, only AAG does, and AAG is not an air carrier. It’s all in the wording, and that is why AAG is hiring outside council, someone with a lot more brain power than most anyone at alpa, to guide them through how to take the money in the best interest of the company. If they were planning on just doing the right thing they wouldn’t be spending money on an advisor to help them strategically take the money. They are going to do what is best for the company and screw the rest of us over both mainline and regionals. Welcome to the show.
04-02-2020 | 07:34 AM
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AAL doesn’t have any subsidiaries... AAG has subsidiaries including AAL. If AAG takes the money then yes you’ll be fine. If there are loop holes to exploit to allow AAL to take the money, then you won’t be safe. Again, AAL does not have subsidiaries, only AAG does, and AAG is not an air carrier. It’s all in the wording, and that is why AAG is hiring outside council, someone with a lot more brain power than most anyone at alpa, to guide them through how to take the money in the best interest of the company. If they were planning on just doing the right thing they wouldn’t be spending money on an advisor to help them strategically take the money. They are going to do what is best for the company and screw the rest of us over both mainline and regionals. Welcome to the show.
"refrain from conducting involuntary layoffs or furloughs, or reducing pay rates and benefits, of employees of the applicant and its subsidiaries (or, in the discretion of the Secretary of the Treasury, any affiliated entity) until September 30, 2020;"
04-02-2020 | 07:44 AM
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AAL doesn’t have any subsidiaries... AAG has subsidiaries including AAL. If AAG takes the money then yes you’ll be fine. If there are loop holes to exploit to allow AAL to take the money, then you won’t be safe. Again, AAL does not have subsidiaries, only AAG does, and AAG is not an air carrier. It’s all in the wording, and that is why AAG is hiring outside council, someone with a lot more brain power than most anyone at alpa, to guide them through how to take the money in the best interest of the company. If they were planning on just doing the right thing they wouldn’t be spending money on an advisor to help them strategically take the money. They are going to do what is best for the company and screw the rest of us over both mainline and regionals. Welcome to the show.
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