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MEGAFUPM 04-15-2020 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by MqWhistleblower (Post 3033088)
Excuse me? I know our contract pretty well. I’m speaking to the new hires and pilots who have some pretty basic questions. One thing I can assure you is that I know our contract pretty well. I just feel sorry for guys who don’t, and get played.

You can’t expect the union to put out a communication for every single part of the contract. Especially when most things have already been explained in detail on here or Facebook if anyone would use this thing called the search button. It amazes me how 2-3 people a day ask how to send the same RF message when there’s 50 different posts and plenty of documents on how to do it.

MqWhistleblower 04-15-2020 04:59 PM


Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM (Post 3033100)
You can’t expect the union to put out a communication for every single part of the contract. Especially when most things have already been explained in detail on here or Facebook if anyone would use this thing called the search button. It amazes me how 2-3 people a day ask how to send the same RF message when there’s 50 different posts and plenty of documents on how to do it.

The union’s job is to educate our pilot group. They should educate our pilots on indoc, instead of talking bs and buying pizza with our union dues.

dera 04-15-2020 05:01 PM


Originally Posted by MqWhistleblower (Post 3033104)
The union’s job is to educate our pilot group. They should educate our pilots on indoc, instead of talking bs and buying pizza with our union dues.

I'd like to see you educate pilots about the contract on day 3 of indoc in 45 minutes.
The new hire mentors hardly ever get called. And I've heard reps don't often get called about new hire issues either (but when they do, I hear they are very helpful).

There's an old story I heard, something about leading something to the water and so on.

MEGAFUPM 04-15-2020 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by MqWhistleblower (Post 3033104)
The union’s job is to educate our pilot group. They should educate our pilots on indoc, instead of talking bs and buying pizza with our union dues.

Again, it isn't their job to teach you how to read, or how to use an antiquated computer system that's ran by the company. Go down to the CPO or call the pilot help desk/IT desk and make the people getting paid to do this help you.

MqWhistleblower 04-15-2020 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM (Post 3033111)
Again, it isn't their job to teach you how to read, or how to use an antiquated computer system that's ran by the company. Go down to the CPO or call the pilot help desk/IT desk and make the people getting paid to do this help you.

Ok, so you are saying that it’s not the union’s job to educate the pilot group? What’s their job then? Educate me.

For the record- if you go to the cpo they will tell you to look up on my envoy air. All information needed is there

MqWhistleblower 04-15-2020 05:16 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3033106)
I'd like to see you educate pilots about the contract on day 3 of indoc in 45 minutes.
The new hire mentors hardly ever get called. And I've heard reps don't often get called about new hire issues either (but when they do, I hear they are very helpful).

There's an old story I heard, something about leading something to the water and so on.

I’d be glad to volunteer. Maybe, people are happy with the company and I’m the only one unhappy.

Chato 04-15-2020 06:46 PM


Originally Posted by MEGAFUPM (Post 3033072)
It's not the unions job to teach you how to read. It's clearly spelled out in the contract, and isn't ambiguous or up for interpretation like many parts. There's also plenty of guides on the union and company website for how to use DECS. Maybe you should take some responsibility for yourself and not expect to be spoon fed everything.


So why even bother paying union dues when everything is already written somewhere right? there’s guides out there, there are contracts with everything you need to know. What’s the point of having experienced folks who could easily educate new pilots on how to navigate the system right?

Great attitude man, next time u go back to recurrent tell the instructor not to bother, you already did it last year you dont need him to remind you how things work.

MEGAFUPM 04-15-2020 07:33 PM


Originally Posted by Chato (Post 3033172)
So why even bother paying union dues when everything is already written somewhere right? there’s guides out there, there are contracts with everything you need to know. What’s the point of having experienced folks who could easily educate new pilots on how to navigate the system right?

Great attitude man, next time u go back to recurrent tell the instructor not to bother, you already did it last year you dont need him to remind you how things work.

Yep just keep twisting my words. No point in trying to argue.

Sasquatched 04-15-2020 08:48 PM

So yesterday I attempted to pick up a turn using the template under Crew Scheduling on my.envoyair.com. It was a full trip. This morning I got a HI6 from CS saying the pick up has been denied, “must use the automated TTOT system.” What does this mean? If I would’ve used DECS and sent the RF 100 FULL it would’ve went through automatically and I would’ve got it? Instead they find a reason not to give it to me?

highfarfast 04-15-2020 08:59 PM


Originally Posted by Sasquatched (Post 3033235)
So yesterday I attempted to pick up a turn using the template under Crew Scheduling on my.envoyair.com. It was a full trip. This morning I got a HI6 from CS saying the pick up has been denied, “must use the automated TTOT system.” What does this mean? If I would’ve used DECS and sent the RF 100 FULL it would’ve went through automatically and I would’ve got it? Instead they find a reason not to give it to me?

First, RFs are not TTOT.

That said, I've noticed on a few of the RF forms it says 'must use ttot' or something similar. When I've read that, I've wondered if such a restriction is contractually allowed.


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