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NoValueAviator 05-22-2020 06:49 AM

Why would anyone be surprised that we're more profitable than the people doing the exact same thing for 4-10x the labor costs?

Of course AA is bringing us back first.

ClappedOut145 05-22-2020 08:41 AM

At this point it's anyone's guess what they are doing when it comes to staffing. I will continue to come into work and look for the coveted Slurpee machine as well as pray for an air hockey table.

AV8R72 05-22-2020 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 3061736)
Why would anyone be surprised that we're more profitable than the people doing the exact same thing for 4-10x the labor costs?

Of course AA is bringing us back first.

I expect this to be short lived unless there is another stimulus. Summer flying by regionals to save money, then massive cuts across the board after CARES act restrictions are lifted

uavking 05-22-2020 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by AV8R72 (Post 3061901)
I expect this to be short lived unless there is another stimulus. Summer flying by regionals to save money, then massive cuts across the board after CARES act restrictions are lifted

Bingo. If we do see increased utilization in the next couple of months, it will simply be to maintain CARES Act required service at the lower production cost that we provide to AAG. Contrary to the weekly “oooh, look at TSA counts” circle that pops up on the ORD FB, the national/global economy isn’t going to be healthy for some time. 01OCT quickly approaches with a dose of market reality.

teamflyer 05-22-2020 06:34 PM

So that’s why it would be smart for them to offer the leave again?

Voski 05-26-2020 09:56 AM

You’d think they’d offer more CSLOAs, but who knows at this point. If AA has to downsize ENY/PSA/PDT this fall (voluntary or involuntary furloughs), I’d expect to see something reminiscent to the 5-year voluntary LOA they offered years back.

teamflyer 05-26-2020 11:58 AM


Originally Posted by Voski (Post 3064320)
You’d think they’d offer more CSLOAs, but who knows at this point. If AA has to downsize ENY/PSA/PDT this fall (voluntary or involuntary furloughs), I’d expect to see something reminiscent to the 5-year voluntary LOA they offered years back.

I really hope they offer something like a 5 year leave

NoValueAviator 05-26-2020 12:54 PM


Originally Posted by uavking (Post 3061986)
Bingo. If we do see increased utilization in the next couple of months, it will simply be to maintain CARES Act required service at the lower production cost that we provide to AAG. Contrary to the weekly “oooh, look at TSA counts” circle that pops up on the ORD FB, the national/global economy isn’t going to be healthy for some time. 01OCT quickly approaches with a dose of market reality.

It's an interesting scenario if it goes like you say.

If they'd just furloughed us in April we'd be collecting unemployment until at least July, which would be a big raise for most of our FO's right now. Except in Dallas apparently, where there's beaucoup OT.

Cyio 05-26-2020 02:08 PM


Originally Posted by NoValueAviator (Post 3064467)
It's an interesting scenario if it goes like you say.

If they'd just furloughed us in April we'd be collecting unemployment until at least July, which would be a big raise for most of our FO's right now. Except in Dallas apparently, where there's beaucoup OT.

I am friends with a pilot at SWA and they haven't been used in nearly 90 days, so much so that they are going to have currency issues. The extra flying we are seeing are just because we can do it cheaper than mainline. The people on here saying flying is picking up and this is a "flash in the pan" are crazy. In much of the country cases are increasing with hotspots popping up.

This is going to take time and I really hope they offer another round of LOA's.

rld1k 05-26-2020 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by Cyio (Post 3064509)
I am friends with a pilot at SWA and they haven't been used in nearly 90 days, so much so that they are going to have currency issues. The extra flying we are seeing are just because we can do it cheaper than mainline. The people on here saying flying is picking up and this is a "flash in the pan" are crazy. In much of the country cases are increasing with hotspots popping up.

This is going to take time and I really hope they offer another round of LOA's.

We'll be 50% of 2019 tsa numbers by July.


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