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Old 06-03-2020, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Excargodog View Post
and yet except for NJ and NY, who inoculated their nursing homes to produce a wave of casualties, nobody was all that resource constrained. Seattle set up an Army field hospital in Centurylink stadium and sent it back to storage nine days later without ever having seen a patient. Navy Hospial ships were sent to support NYC and LA and were scarcely used.





And states that didn’t lock down fared no worse statistically than those that did.

You can change the goal posts all you want, but you cannot show that locking down uninflected people has EVER been an effective public health tactic.

And almost one-quarter the total US deaths are directly attributable to three states screwing up by mandating that nursing homes full of susceptible people take in patient that were known to be contagious New York among those. About 45% of the cases in NY CAME FROM from nursing homes as a direct result of their BS directive.



Which they have now changed and will be paying billions for in a class action lawsuit in the near future.
To start, I don't think I moved the goal posts at all. I understand that nursing homes are hit hard, but just because it is 50% doesn't somehow devalue the other 50% out there that died not in a nursing home.

Speaking of citing sources, here is one for you. Sweden basically thought like you did and had very minor limitations in place, compared to much of the world and its neighbors. Well, guess what, they now have one of the highest mortality rates int he world because of it and their chief epidemiologist said he would do it different next time.

So, you have made arguments that the we can't make the cure worse than the disease. So looking from an economic standpoint, you would think Sweden would at least be holding on strong financially since they really didn't shut anything down. Well, you would be wrong there as well. They are currently having their worst financial crisis since WWII. While this is due to many things, obviously, the point is that leaving things open didn't cause them to fair any better than anyone else, all while now suffering some of the highest fatality rates.

I won't go on much more about it, I will link to it for your reference.
Man Behind Sweden’s Controversial Virus Strategy Admits Mistakes Read more at: https://www.bloombergquint.com/onweb...e-things-wrong Copyright © BloombergQuint
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Old 06-04-2020, 09:47 AM
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To start, I don't think I moved the goal posts at all. I understand that nursing homes are hit hard, but just because it is 50% doesn't somehow devalue the other 50% out there that died not in a nursing home.

Speaking of citing sources, here is one for you. Sweden basically thought like you did and had very minor limitations in place, compared to much of the world and its neighbors. Well, guess what, they now have one of the highest mortality rates int he world because of it and their chief epidemiologist said he would do it different next time.

So, you have made arguments that the we can't make the cure worse than the disease. So looking from an economic standpoint, you would think Sweden would at least be holding on strong financially since they really didn't shut anything down. Well, you would be wrong there as well. They are currently having their worst financial crisis since WWII. While this is due to many things, obviously, the point is that leaving things open didn't cause them to fair any better than anyone else, all while now suffering some of the highest fatality rates.

I won't go on much more about it, I will link to it for your reference.
Man Behind Sweden’s Controversial Virus Strategy Admits Mistakes Read more at: https://www.bloombergquint.com/onweb...e-things-wrong Copyright © BloombergQuint
Unfortunately you are wrong in many areas that you point out. I already said this thing would burn out this summer and that's exactly what is happening. Take a look at the CDC or any other number of sites that are compiling and publishing the data. The curve flattened and now is in a free fall drop. In addition, I have doctors and other medical personnel in my family. Their information has been exactly what I've been saying and is tracking right along with what I'm telling you. Take a look at epidemiology as a whole. The underlying premise is that you flatten the curve and then build herd immunity as we are now in this situation. Do a little more research before posting largely bogus information.
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Old 06-04-2020, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by THKooj View Post
Unfortunately you are wrong in many areas that you point out. I already said this thing would burn out this summer and that's exactly what is happening. Take a look at the CDC or any other number of sites that are compiling and publishing the data. The curve flattened and now is in a free fall drop. In addition, I have doctors and other medical personnel in my family. Their information has been exactly what I've been saying and is tracking right along with what I'm telling you. Take a look at epidemiology as a whole. The underlying premise is that you flatten the curve and then build herd immunity as we are now in this situation. Do a little more research before posting largely bogus information.
Wow, you have doctors and medical personnel in your family? So do I, should we compare their degrees now? What did I post that was inaccurate in what you quoted? It was literally taken from the mouth of the Swedish epidemiologist.
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Old 06-16-2020, 07:15 AM
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Can they offer the long term leave again????
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Old 06-16-2020, 07:35 AM
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Can they offer the long term leave again????
Very unlikely to happen. Envoy flying is picking up, more so than other operations due to locations and relationship with AAG.

If you’re looking to go to school, or start another career, you’ll have to make some decisions.
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Old 07-17-2020, 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by teamflyer View Post
Can they offer the long term leave again????
sounds like VEOP is coming back but CSLOA isn’t. Also sounds like furloughs will be pretty limited.
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Old 07-17-2020, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator View Post
sounds like VEOP is coming back but CSLOA isn’t. Also sounds like furloughs will be pretty limited.
PSA’s announcement has them at 20% furlough. I’d expect the same at envoy
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Old 07-17-2020, 07:40 AM
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Max 350 pilots.
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Old 07-17-2020, 07:51 AM
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Looking at the seniority list TC sent out yesterday I noticed there’s about 150 pilots under TRN. Are they actually in training right now or were they sent home?
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Old 07-17-2020, 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy2112 View Post
PSA’s announcement has them at 20% furlough. I’d expect the same at envoy
I calculated 30%.

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