5 yloa
08-02-2020, 04:48 AM
#41
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Joined APC: Aug 2013
Position: BE20/BE02 Left Seat
Posts: 166
And what does it mean after 1 year, we can request to come back with a 30 day notice? We can just tell them we are coming coming back after 1 year, no questions asked? Even if they are not hiring?
08-02-2020, 05:29 AM
#42
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Joined APC: Dec 2019
Posts: 270
Originally Posted by Gooch
Rucker is hiring like crazy. Just saying. It is what it is but year 1 is about to be over 100k with a good schedule, weekends/all holidays/donsas off. Making more now than as a 5 year captain. If one were to take the VLOA and have this gig, good coin. Not every rtp guys choice but was nice to get. Rotor jobs are out there.
Seriously, no disrespect here but I've observed many, many in the training cycle and by far, for whatever reason, you guys struggle the most. The large majority of you get through but I believe it's the pipeline training program the cadets come from that has them ready on the first day of training. I'm not discounting your military service, I appreciate it as I have a military background myself. However, in the end in addition to the training problems, it seems that you really just aren't interested in being here. Thus my question on this possible opportunity for you to get back into something that obviously pays well and may be more suited to your comfort zone.
08-02-2020, 05:36 AM
#43
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 546
Originally Posted by THKooj
Serious question for all you RTP guys. Are all of you planning to take this 5 year LOA? I'm asking because from everyone of your posts it is very evident that Envoy/American is just a way station for you and you really aren't interested in being here.
Seriously, no disrespect here but I've observed many, many in the training cycle and by far, for whatever reason, you guys struggle the most. The large majority of you get through but I believe it's the pipeline training program the cadets come from that has them ready on the first day of training. I'm not discounting your military service, I appreciate it as I have a military background myself. However, in the end in addition to the training problems, it seems that you really just aren't interested in being here. Thus my question on this possible opportunity for you to get back into something that obviously pays well and may be more suited to your comfort zone.
Seriously, no disrespect here but I've observed many, many in the training cycle and by far, for whatever reason, you guys struggle the most. The large majority of you get through but I believe it's the pipeline training program the cadets come from that has them ready on the first day of training. I'm not discounting your military service, I appreciate it as I have a military background myself. However, in the end in addition to the training problems, it seems that you really just aren't interested in being here. Thus my question on this possible opportunity for you to get back into something that obviously pays well and may be more suited to your comfort zone.
08-02-2020, 06:36 AM
#44
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 3,659
Originally Posted by But seriously
Anyone who engages on this post is just giving him what he wants. Don’t feed the troll.
08-02-2020, 09:02 AM
#46
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Joined APC: Jan 2017
Posts: 2,510
Originally Posted by THKooj
Serious question for all you RTP guys. Are all of you planning to take this 5 year LOA? I'm asking because from everyone of your posts it is very evident that Envoy/American is just a way station for you and you really aren't interested in being here.
Seriously, no disrespect here but I've observed many, many in the training cycle and by far, for whatever reason, you guys struggle the most. The large majority of you get through but I believe it's the pipeline training program the cadets come from that has them ready on the first day of training. I'm not discounting your military service, I appreciate it as I have a military background myself. However, in the end in addition to the training problems, it seems that you really just aren't interested in being here. Thus my question on this possible opportunity for you to get back into something that obviously pays well and may be more suited to your comfort zone.
Seriously, no disrespect here but I've observed many, many in the training cycle and by far, for whatever reason, you guys struggle the most. The large majority of you get through but I believe it's the pipeline training program the cadets come from that has them ready on the first day of training. I'm not discounting your military service, I appreciate it as I have a military background myself. However, in the end in addition to the training problems, it seems that you really just aren't interested in being here. Thus my question on this possible opportunity for you to get back into something that obviously pays well and may be more suited to your comfort zone.
It’s not a matter of not wanting to fly and or be an airline pilot. But unlike yourself whose only talent is trolling on Internet forums, most military pilots, especially those who have also flown rotary, have multiple talents and can use those to make a living. Since your promised five year flow has evaporated (not that it was ever going to be anyway), it’s better for all if those that can do something else for a while do so and prevent a few of your prized cadets from being furloughed and stuck in momma’s basement without a reason to leave their video games.
08-02-2020, 10:06 AM
#48
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Joined APC: Jul 2016
Position: FO
Posts: 793
5 yloa
1. I can not stress this enough, seniority and movement at any carrier is everything!
2. AAG wanted to sell Eagle in the past, with the only saving grace being no buyers. Reluctant growth, reluctant investment in employees during the most profitable period in its history.
3. Many of you do not think AAG will shrinking its FFD (starting with it’s WO and least favorite Envoy Air). Many of you are not contemplating that fact that due to scope clause affect will be exercised, AA will shrink and become a much small airline with or w/o CARES ACT II OCT 1. Technically meaning we are not a capitalist society by the way, and that Airlines are now too big to fail GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES (no matter how you look at it). So, AAG will eventually consolidate feed carrier, cut regional feed, or close feed further, since it will be a much smaller airline due to Scope, economy, Covid expansion mutation, Covid vaccine time to developed and vaccinate billions around the world. AA, DL, UAL will be smaller until 2024-2025 (watch for new aircraft delivery delays we’ll past 2023 as indicator).
4. Flow 5-yr LOA? Perfect right? Sure take your 5 yrs LOA for Flowin 3-5yrs... See if there is an Envoy Air Inc to comeback to in 3-4yrs. Sure let’s hope there is a V shape recovery and fellow pilots can come back from leave to completed retaining by summer 2022-2023 at best! Then you can flow in 2024-2025 at best. Also hope there is no other world issues (civil war, terror, collapse of democracy, other pandemic outbreak or mutation, rise of a destabilizing totalitarian government). If you are senior enough, plan on a long term regional career and vote accordingly in one accord.
5. STOP MAKING CAREER DECISIONS BASED ON FLOW! You will be chasing stale cheese in a maze.
6. If you are young and junior, welcome to the consequences of your decision, learn from it. Going forward your creativity, age is your ally.
7. If you are an older person and a junior pilot (with 7-10yrs until retirement), Pray even harder. Do not be picky, this is not Burger King, you can’t have it your way this time if you want to continue flying, get into a ACMI/Cargo: No particular order: Kalitta charters 2, OMNI, ATLAS, ATI, Western Global, AmeriJet, Ameriflight, Empire Airlines, Mountain Air Cargo, etc. or go back to your Corporate flying gig if you can if it has a half decent retirement plan. Now is not the time to live your youthful dreams at a regional airline.
2. AAG wanted to sell Eagle in the past, with the only saving grace being no buyers. Reluctant growth, reluctant investment in employees during the most profitable period in its history.
3. Many of you do not think AAG will shrinking its FFD (starting with it’s WO and least favorite Envoy Air). Many of you are not contemplating that fact that due to scope clause affect will be exercised, AA will shrink and become a much small airline with or w/o CARES ACT II OCT 1. Technically meaning we are not a capitalist society by the way, and that Airlines are now too big to fail GOVERNMENT SUBSIDIES (no matter how you look at it). So, AAG will eventually consolidate feed carrier, cut regional feed, or close feed further, since it will be a much smaller airline due to Scope, economy, Covid expansion mutation, Covid vaccine time to developed and vaccinate billions around the world. AA, DL, UAL will be smaller until 2024-2025 (watch for new aircraft delivery delays we’ll past 2023 as indicator).
4. Flow 5-yr LOA? Perfect right? Sure take your 5 yrs LOA for Flowin 3-5yrs... See if there is an Envoy Air Inc to comeback to in 3-4yrs. Sure let’s hope there is a V shape recovery and fellow pilots can come back from leave to completed retaining by summer 2022-2023 at best! Then you can flow in 2024-2025 at best. Also hope there is no other world issues (civil war, terror, collapse of democracy, other pandemic outbreak or mutation, rise of a destabilizing totalitarian government). If you are senior enough, plan on a long term regional career and vote accordingly in one accord.
5. STOP MAKING CAREER DECISIONS BASED ON FLOW! You will be chasing stale cheese in a maze.
6. If you are young and junior, welcome to the consequences of your decision, learn from it. Going forward your creativity, age is your ally.
7. If you are an older person and a junior pilot (with 7-10yrs until retirement), Pray even harder. Do not be picky, this is not Burger King, you can’t have it your way this time if you want to continue flying, get into a ACMI/Cargo: No particular order: Kalitta charters 2, OMNI, ATLAS, ATI, Western Global, AmeriJet, Ameriflight, Empire Airlines, Mountain Air Cargo, etc. or go back to your Corporate flying gig if you can if it has a half decent retirement plan. Now is not the time to live your youthful dreams at a regional airline.
08-02-2020, 02:53 PM
#49
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Joined APC: Jul 2019
Posts: 388
Originally Posted by pitchattitude
I will bite.
It’s not a matter of not wanting to fly and or be an airline pilot. But unlike yourself whose only talent is trolling on Internet forums, most military pilots, especially those who have also flown rotary, have multiple talents and can use those to make a living. Since your promised five year flow has evaporated (not that it was ever going to be anyway), it’s better for all if those that can do something else for a while do so and prevent a few of your prized cadets from being furloughed and stuck in momma’s basement without a reason to leave their video games.
It’s not a matter of not wanting to fly and or be an airline pilot. But unlike yourself whose only talent is trolling on Internet forums, most military pilots, especially those who have also flown rotary, have multiple talents and can use those to make a living. Since your promised five year flow has evaporated (not that it was ever going to be anyway), it’s better for all if those that can do something else for a while do so and prevent a few of your prized cadets from being furloughed and stuck in momma’s basement without a reason to leave their video games.
So sorry the promised flow didn't work out for you. But don't be so quick to **** on the cadets. A lot of them were making bottom dollar for AA while you were off using your multiple talents.
-signed a veteran
