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Old 08-10-2020, 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by martyByrde View Post
Why are the terms of the LOU 1 year and not 5? If Envoy mgmt has the capability to maintain travel benefits 1 year, they certainly have the ability to do it for 5.
Let me guess the excuse...AAG wouldn’t allow it? That’s the usual go-to for management
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Old 08-10-2020, 07:22 PM
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Why are the terms of the LOU 1 year and not 5? If Envoy mgmt has the capability to maintain travel benefits 1 year, they certainly have the ability to do it for 5.
Guessing that being that the actual LOA affords zero travel that this was a compromise to not renegotiating the whole thing.

Most people will either be back at Envoy in a year, or will have new employment that will make them quit and prove that they did so in order to start a new position.

Atlas and ATI aren’t going to be keen on allowing people to come on property while on a leave of absence. You’re keeping an insurance policy in your pocket and they don’t want their investment running out to flow to AA in four years.
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Old 08-11-2020, 03:44 AM
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Dont you, yourself pay the company insurance while on leave?
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Old 08-11-2020, 03:52 AM
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Dont you, yourself pay the company insurance while on leave?
Yes, the full amount is due by the pilot, or you could choose to not have it.
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“Insurance policy” = eventual mainline job, not health coverage
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Originally Posted by buddies8 View Post
Dont you, yourself pay the company insurance while on leave?
The insurance policy is the flow to mainline that some will keep in their back pocket if their other move doesn’t work. Go do something else for five years, AA rebounds, come back, flow, profit (if your new carrier doesn’t ask for proof of resignation).
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Most people will either be back at Envoy in a year, or will have new employment that will make them quit and prove that they did so in order to start a new position.
How do you know this?
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The last time they offered this, there were a lot of flying opportunities in China and some in Africa. The work conditions were horrible (according to anecdotal accounts), but people made BANK.

I doubt that those opportunities are there right now, but in 6-8 months... who knows.
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Originally Posted by martyByrde View Post
How do you know this?
This epidemic can’t last forever. I would think that as soon as Frontier and Spirit begin hiring again that you will see a mass exodus from the regionals. People won’t wait for flow like before.
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Old 08-11-2020, 11:34 AM
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Guessing that being that the actual LOA affords zero travel that this was a compromise to not renegotiating the whole thing.

Most people will either be back at Envoy in a year, or will have new employment that will make them quit and prove that they did so in order to start a new position.

Atlas and ATI aren’t going to be keen on allowing people to come on property while on a leave of absence. You’re keeping an insurance policy in your pocket and they don’t want their investment running out to flow to AA in four years.
I'm glad that you finally agree with me about the length of the flow. Yes, it's 6 years or less while it's going. That has been a fact that many here have denied for the past few years. As soon as things crank back up again you will see the flow in this range. I like how you noticed it in that if XXX carrier hires a furloughed Envoy pilot, said pilot likely would bail at the 4 year mark so they could get back in time for their flow to AA.
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