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martyByrde 08-11-2020 06:41 AM
Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3108270)
Most people will either be back at Envoy in a year, or will have new employment that will make them quit and prove that they did so in order to start a new position.
How do you know this?

But seriously 08-11-2020 10:28 AM
The last time they offered this, there were a lot of flying opportunities in China and some in Africa. The work conditions were horrible (according to anecdotal accounts), but people made BANK.

I doubt that those opportunities are there right now, but in 6-8 months... who knows.

ClappedOut145 08-11-2020 10:51 AM
Originally Posted by martyByrde (Post 3108416)
How do you know this?
This epidemic can’t last forever. I would think that as soon as Frontier and Spirit begin hiring again that you will see a mass exodus from the regionals. People won’t wait for flow like before.

THKooj 08-11-2020 11:34 AM
Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3108270)
Guessing that being that the actual LOA affords zero travel that this was a compromise to not renegotiating the whole thing.

Most people will either be back at Envoy in a year, or will have new employment that will make them quit and prove that they did so in order to start a new position.

Atlas and ATI aren’t going to be keen on allowing people to come on property while on a leave of absence. You’re keeping an insurance policy in your pocket and they don’t want their investment running out to flow to AA in four years.
I'm glad that you finally agree with me about the length of the flow. Yes, it's 6 years or less while it's going. That has been a fact that many here have denied for the past few years. As soon as things crank back up again you will see the flow in this range. I like how you noticed it in that if XXX carrier hires a furloughed Envoy pilot, said pilot likely would bail at the 4 year mark so they could get back in time for their flow to AA.

But seriously 08-11-2020 11:38 AM
Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 3108577)
I'm glad that you finally agree with me about the length of the flow. Yes, it's 6 years or less while it's going. That has been a fact that many here have denied for the past few years. As soon as things crank back up again you will see the flow in this range. I like how you noticed it in that if XXX carrier hires a furloughed Envoy pilot, said pilot likely would bail at the 4 year mark so they could get back in time for their flow to AA.
Nonsensical troll post... again.

Cyio 08-11-2020 12:11 PM
Originally Posted by But seriously (Post 3108580)
Nonsensical troll post... again.
Its pretty par for the course with that guy. His world is imaginary at best.

pitchattitude 08-11-2020 12:52 PM
Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 3108577)
I'm glad that you finally agree with me about the length of the flow. Yes, it's 6 years or less while it's going. That has been a fact that many here have denied for the past few years. As soon as things crank back up again you will see the flow in this range. I like how you noticed it in that if XXX carrier hires a furloughed Envoy pilot, said pilot likely would bail at the 4 year mark so they could get back in time for their flow to AA.
Your math is still impossible. This has added what, five months, since the last flow to the at least six years those that flowed waited. There is ZERO guarantee that there will EVER be another flow. IF it does happen, you will have to add all that lost time to the numbers of those that were waiting. Even if it happens in FOUR years, add that to the SHORTEST wait folks that were approaching five years, those people are going to be at nine years. The hypothetical flow time will not decrease.

martyByrde 08-11-2020 01:43 PM
Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 3108577)
As soon as things crank back up again you will see the flow in this range.
Ifs and nuts, Splooj, i mean Kooj, ifs and nuts.

ClappedOut145 08-11-2020 02:10 PM
Originally Posted by THKooj (Post 3108577)
I'm glad that you finally agree with me about the length of the flow. Yes, it's 6 years or less while it's going. That has been a fact that many here have denied for the past few years. As soon as things crank back up again you will see the flow in this range. I like how you noticed it in that if XXX carrier hires a furloughed Envoy pilot, said pilot likely would bail at the 4 year mark so they could get back in time for their flow to AA.
I don’t agree with anything that you’ve ever said. Your propaganda is only for the fool hearty and would be best for only a few mindless drones who actually listen to you.

The flow could be four years from now for someone who has already spent six years on property. There will never be a pilot who flows in four total years. Ever. I know you drank a lot of Kool Aide though but the last class had an eleven year flow time without attrition. Stagnation is only going to make it actually be eleven years.

Helij3t 08-11-2020 05:49 PM
I'm sure the light bulb in his crystal ball burnt out that's why he couldn't see the Russians declaring the Rona vaccine today.


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