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Old 01-17-2021 | 03:33 AM
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The whipsaw has started. Brace for it.
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Old 01-17-2021 | 06:30 AM
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I might be alone in this but maybe they should just re-furlough the pilots they aren't planning on using. Why post higher costs than necessary? To qualify for additional subsidy? This is a terrific situation for those pilots and I'm happy for them, but it doesn't seem like the right time to be paying people training gaurantee to do nothing. This exaggerates our costs and makes other ops more appealing from AAG's standpoint.
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Old 01-17-2021 | 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
I might be alone in this but maybe they should just re-furlough the pilots they aren't planning on using. Why post higher costs than necessary? To qualify for additional subsidy? This is a terrific situation for those pilots and I'm happy for them, but it doesn't seem like the right time to be paying people training gaurantee to do nothing. This exaggerates our costs and makes other ops more appealing from AAG's standpoint.
It’s cheaper for AAG to accept the payroll support and pay people to do nothing, than it is to pay people who aren’t furloughed from your actual revenue. I’m still miffed about how PSA hiring.
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Old 01-17-2021 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by NoValueAviator
I might be alone in this but maybe they should just re-furlough the pilots they aren't planning on using. Why post higher costs than necessary? To qualify for additional subsidy? This is a terrific situation for those pilots and I'm happy for them, but it doesn't seem like the right time to be paying people training gaurantee to do nothing. This exaggerates our costs and makes other ops more appealing from AAG's standpoint.
The government is giving them 70% (I think) of overall payroll in exchange for paying 200~ FO’s. They’d been insane not to take that.

Also, I don’t envy those furloughees at all. It’s far from a sweet deal. Yes they are paid right now for nothing, but that is only guaranteed for a couple of months. I’m sure quite a few of them have gone back to their CFI/corporate/military jobs they had previously. That’s probably a one time lifeline for most. You can’t just quit and come crawling back every 3 months.
If you are 23 and still have your mom doing your laundry, it may not be that big of a deal, but that is definitely NOT everybody.
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Old 01-17-2021 | 08:18 AM
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The government is giving them 70% (I think) of overall payroll in exchange for paying 200~ FO’s. They’d been insane not to take that.

Also, I don’t envy those furloughees at all. It’s far from a sweet deal. Yes they are paid right now for nothing, but that is only guaranteed for a couple of months. I’m sure quite a few of them have gone back to their CFI/corporate/military jobs they had previously. That’s probably a one time lifeline for most. You can’t just quit and come crawling back every 3 months.
If you are 23 and still have your mom doing your laundry, it may not be that big of a deal, but that is definitely NOT everybody.
But are they actually required to show up and do anything that would require them to leave their fallback job? Seems like a pretty good deal unless I’m missing something.
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Old 01-17-2021 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by coodrough568
as of now, no. They sit at home and collect the paycheck. I personally know 6 that will never comeback, so there has to be a lot more than that too. So when things actually do start improving we will have to hire too. Also according to the new seniority list, we’ve lost about 65 pilots anyway.
I wonder if the announcement of Republic shutting Miami will have an impact on recalls.
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Old 01-18-2021 | 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by CptnDave
So why is PSA hiring again and we aren't?
because they’re going to help us out in Miami I heard.

jkjk LOL
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Old 01-18-2021 | 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Ijustlikeflying
because they’re going to help us out in Miami I heard.

jkjk LOL
they serve half florida already
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Old 01-18-2021 | 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by pitchattitude
cadets drooling over themselves to fly the SNJ.
Somebody mentioned an SNJ? Now we are talking!
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Old 01-19-2021 | 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by coodrough568
If there is only one thing that is certain, Envoy is ALWAYS last with the news. I’m not shocked one bit that PSA got news first. Remember what happened with the pay raise debacle?
what happened with the pay debacle and how does it have anything to do with recalls?
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