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ClappedOut145 06-02-2021 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by Crimson37Roger (Post 3244850)
Do you have any idea how the cadet program works?

Yup. And if they slot them into classes with furloughs who are returning and above them in seniority then the cadets will be below them and have zero shot at the 175.

TransWorld 06-02-2021 08:15 PM

About how many furloughees are still not flying?

captive apple 06-03-2021 05:52 AM

Management can lead you to toxicity because it’s easy. This is toxic.

Crimson37Roger 06-03-2021 06:50 AM


Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3244853)
Yup. And if they slot them into classes with furloughs who are returning and above them in seniority then the cadets will be below them and have zero shot at the 175.

No ish. I don’t think you understand how the cadet program works though. They’re just contract employees. They get paid by envoy and then envoy bills the flight schools. Envoy has a contract with those schools and can’t just stop paying them.

Helij3t 06-03-2021 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by Crimson37Roger (Post 3245018)
No ish. I don’t think you understand how the cadet program works though. They’re just contract employees. They get paid by envoy and then envoy bills the flight schools. Envoy has a contract with those schools and can’t just stop paying them.

Robbing Peter to pay Paul 🤔

ClappedOut145 06-03-2021 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by Crimson37Roger (Post 3245018)
No ish. I don’t think you understand how the cadet program works though. They’re just contract employees. They get paid by envoy and then envoy bills the flight schools. Envoy has a contract with those schools and can’t just stop paying them.

Again, I completely understand, and an organization with deep pockets like AAG can easily break a contract with a force majeure clause in the time of a national pandemic. The contracts should have been suspended while real envoy pilots were thrown on the street. Keeping cadets and giving them health care, D2 travel, and accruing vacation/sick while actual employees were furloughed was an absolute slap in the face. This is why I have no use for the cadet program.

CptnDave 06-03-2021 09:28 AM


Originally Posted by ClappedOut145 (Post 3245117)
Again, I completely understand, and an organization with deep pockets like AAG can easily break a contract with a force majeure clause in the time of a national pandemic. The contracts should have been suspended while real envoy pilots were thrown on the street. Keeping cadets and giving them health care, D2 travel, and accruing vacation/sick while actual employees were furloughed was an absolute slap in the face. This is why I have no use for the cadet program.

The problem with doing that is they had already payed them signing bonuses, so by suspending the contract they’d likely lose a good portion of them and the money. As opposed to just maintaining the program for a year and getting their eventual return on investment. The program it’s self is very cheap to operate and relatively self sufficient. There’d be more long term negative effects for the company by ending the program, even if it wasn’t fair.

TransWorld 06-03-2021 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by coodrough568 (Post 3244939)
not flying? All of them, they’ve been in training for anywhere from 1 to 3 weeks now

My fault for phrasing it badly.

How many pilots that had been furloughed previously are currently in training, so not yet requalified to fly? Looking for a rough number.


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