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NoValueAviator 02-22-2022 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 3376919)
United doesn't own most of those regionals. By their own premises, they won't need or want half of those regionals in five years anyway. They might as well bring the pilots in-house. In general, it's a win-win for everyone except ZW/C5 management.

Interesting perspective but it seems like a stretch. Corporations like Trans States Holdings exist to make money for their owners/shareholders, not give pilots 777 FO EWR on their 25th birthday.

I hope it’s real.

pitchattitude 02-22-2022 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3376824)
The changes to United’s Aviate program announced recently are 2 years and 2,000 hours no interview required CJO to United. They just beat the AA flow by several years.

Curious how they are going to make that work. Any requirements to become a captain? They will run out of captains and experience at the regional.

If they do make it work, things are going to start being very competitive to get in as well as everyone else start scraping the bottom of the barrel.

But seriously 02-22-2022 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3376824)
The changes to United’s Aviate program announced recently are 2 years and 2,000 hours no interview required CJO to United. They just beat the AA flow by several years.

Except that’s not the deal. Or, at least, it’s misleading. Yes they get a CJO once they are qualified, but they are still getting class dates in seniority order. UAL is “targeting” hiring 1-2% of the list per month. No guarantee. The equivalent point for ENY pilots is 12 months as CA. The DECs were in that position after one year. Does that mean ENY flow beats Aviate by a year?

pitchattitude 02-23-2022 07:09 AM


Originally Posted by But seriously (Post 3377278)
Except that’s not the deal. Or, at least, it’s misleading. Yes they get a CJO once they are qualified, but they are still getting class dates in seniority order. UAL is “targeting” hiring 1-2% of the list per month. No guarantee. The equivalent point for ENY pilots is 12 months as CA. The DECs were in that position after one year. Does that mean ENY flow beats Aviate by a year?

Trying to understand your statement. How does 12 months as captain and DECs put anyone on an equivalent position as DECs have no seniority. Also, with training and just physical limitations, there is no way to get 2K hours with a carrier, best case at MAYBE 27-30 months and then there is still that whole seniority thing.

dera 02-23-2022 03:35 PM

Well sounds like recruiters are back to blatant lying to candidates. A recruiter told someone I know well that they are just about to start giving AA seniority numbers to Envoy pilots.

Cujo665 02-23-2022 04:18 PM


Originally Posted by dera (Post 3377918)
Well sounds like recruiters are back to blatant lying to candidates. A recruiter told someone I know well that they are just about to start giving AA seniority numbers to Envoy pilots.

Different recruiter faces, reverting to similar old lies, exact same upper management team.....
what's the one consistency there?

But seriously 02-23-2022 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by pitchattitude (Post 3377562)
Trying to understand your statement. How does 12 months as captain and DECs put anyone on an equivalent position as DECs have no seniority. Also, with training and just physical limitations, there is no way to get 2K hours with a carrier, best case at MAYBE 27-30 months and then there is still that whole seniority thing.

Its the same thing because at ENY after 12 months as a CA you are “qualified “ to go to AA. You just have to wait your turn. Under Aviate you’ll be “qualified” to go to UAL after 2000 hours, but… you still have to wait your turn. You can’t say Aviate outpaces ENY flow until we see how many Aviate candidates UAL is actually taking per month.

I’m not saying one or the other is better, just saying that we really don’t know yet how long the flow to UAL will be for someone hired today.

NoValueAviator 02-25-2022 07:02 AM

flow bonus now and aa nombre now or the REs will continue. sure AA has nice bases but they're virtually guaranteed to drag you through a ch. 11 within the next 10 years. united and delta (if you can stomach the culture), and some of the package people are all better options on their face.

Vne469 02-25-2022 08:24 AM

CJO trade for AA class
 
Can anyone PM me who I should work with to try and turn my Legacy CJO into a AA CJO?

buddies8 02-25-2022 08:25 AM

Which legacy?


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