The “flexible new hire rates” is what allows the company to decide to increase the pay of ALL new hires by going to a different years of service rate and subsequently affects everyone who was receiving less than that when it begins.

Let’s say the company decides it needs the year three pay to get new hires in the door. Anyone that was on year one or two when that begins kicks up to year three as well.

The 121 “Longevity credit” is similar to what several other places have done. You come to Envoy with four years and 1600 hours at another 121 and you get year four pay as well as year four vacation accrual. That was part of the Restated Retention Bonus and implementation of that is only applicable to each person individually with prior 121 credit. Doesn’t affect anyone else the way the “flex new hire rates” can affect someone else still in a lower pay step.

That being said, someone asked a question on the Envoy Recruiting FB page about “121 experience credit” and they flat out said that it also included reducing flow as well. That is definitely NOT in any of the changes so pulling stuff out of thin air there.
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they just announced experience credit publicly so it looks like they’re cutting the check.

You need to read my previous response to your and Dera’s post. The 121 experience credit isn’t going to be a huge check. Not going to affect anyone except those individually that actually come in with 121 time. Probably about what they spent on DEC bonuses earlier.

You should really ask a recruiter what the current terms are. Typical terms for the ATP/CTP class would be that if you leave within 12 months you would be required to pay back 6-7k. If you plan for that it’s not a bad deal, especially since there is always a possibility you might be stuck at a regional for a year if a recession happens. Plan for the worst, hope for the best. You might also see if the LCCs would be willing to get you current, although they are less likely to cover your ATP.

How long before a new hire is eligible for insurance benefits?

That was a good clarification, thanks.

Well, you're eligible immediately, but they kick in one month from DOH.

Delta has an ATP/CTP program for mil guys

Any info you can provide on employee premiums? I have 3 dependents that I’m currently paying $1100/month- hoping Envoy is better.


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I don't have the numbers in front of me, but Envoy is a much better deal than that. I have 3 dependents with the medium coverage option and it's between 200-300. The highest was a bit higher, but nowhere near that nonsense you're paying.

EDIT: That's 200-300 per pay period. Still nowhere near as bad.