The Piedmont thread says each bonus comes with a 36 month commitment unless you flow to or get hired by American, but the terms are not cumulative. Generally all or part of the bonus will need to be repaid if you leave early, and they don’t care that taxes took a chunk out of the total. Read the agreement when you get it, you don’t have to sign it or take the bonus. With military time you could most likely get to a legacy within a year.

 

You only have to read the class drop thread to see that this is a lie.
They also haven't force upgraded anyone in years. And if they do, you will be the bottom 145 CA for a long time. Don't expect an upgrade to 175 like that.

 

Anyplace you go and use their ATP program will have a contract and require a repayment if you leave right away. Most places one year at least. They tend to leave out the less glorious details on the websites.

As far a EQUIPMENT lock, IF Envoy starts hiring into the 145 again, as an FO you are locked unless you get displaced out of the plane or upgrade. Not locked to a base.

 

Hasn’t been ANY openings at ORD for a while. You need to read a few pages of the other threads. There is literally NO WAY of knowing what will happen in the near future here. If Envoy is successful in bringing in and keeping pilots, the 145 may not go away as fast as been saying. If it stays around it will remain an orphan and the junior plane in the fleet.

With pay and bonuses what they are, many FOs will chose to wait to upgrade for QOL. This is likely going to start causing forced upgrades to the junior qualified FOs. There are just too many unknowns to know if that will be in the 145 or not, but my money says this has breathed a little bit of life support into it and will only prolong the agony of those in the wrong spot on the seniority list.

 

Understood. So may be best to pay for the ATP instead of being locked for an extended period. Have the TT and PIC for major/legacies just not the recency (and ATP). Thanks for the info!

 

3500hrs TT
1700hrs ERJ175
300hrs CE680
no failures
no criminal background or DUI’s
no LOR’s
no degree

any chance of getting in? How long to get MIA as an FO out CA?

 

was there a CBA change in there to allow them to hire people at different pay steps based upon years of 121 experience, or are the recruiters inventing stuff again?

 

Yes there was, but only if every senior pilot on lower rate gets promoted too so it would be expensive to do so.

 

Man, this is exciting. Thanks Isom. Maybe I'll finally stop getting juniormanned twice a month like clockwork.

 

The “flexible new hire rates” is what allows the company to decide to increase the pay of ALL new hires by going to a different years of service rate and subsequently affects everyone who was receiving less than that when it begins.

Let’s say the company decides it needs the year three pay to get new hires in the door. Anyone that was on year one or two when that begins kicks up to year three as well.

The 121 “Longevity credit” is similar to what several other places have done. You come to Envoy with four years and 1600 hours at another 121 and you get year four pay as well as year four vacation accrual. That was part of the Restated Retention Bonus and implementation of that is only applicable to each person individually with prior 121 credit. Doesn’t affect anyone else the way the “flex new hire rates” can affect someone else still in a lower pay step.

That being said, someone asked a question on the Envoy Recruiting FB page about “121 experience credit” and they flat out said that it also included reducing flow as well. That is definitely NOT in any of the changes so pulling stuff out of thin air there.
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