Classes (indoc) are actually every other Monday. Next one should be July 25. You can do the math from there. They quit bringing in people early to “on board” and get you on the payroll. Now that there is an obvious interest and back log, no reason to pay people to sit.


There is a class drop list thread, but it’s only updated if someone either in the class itself or otherwise in training and gets the info and posts it.

 

Still nothing you've heard?

 

I’ve heard plenty. Been in contact with them nearly every other week. Everytime they tell me they don’t have anything open and no indication on where I am on the list or how long I’ll have to wait. It’s not like I’ve been ghosted. They just won’t schedule me anything.

 

How far back do they say their classes are, October, November, December, longer? Or is it just 'indefinitely'?

 

Indefinite. I’ve said it a couple times but to quote them exactly “we don’t have any open classes at the moment, we will reach out when we can schedule you” they aren’t giving dates or timelines. You’re basically put in a folder of people awaiting a date. As far as how many classes they have scheduled out that I’m not sure. I was only told the next class was the 25th and it was full. I’d also imagine though that at least have the following month already scheduled too.

 

For everyone’s point of reference, are you in the Envoy Cadet program?

There does seem to be a hierarchy of Cadet/prior 121/off the street but of course they seem to be mum about what any of those numbers are so still no way to judge. It still seems that the priority is anyone that has prior 121 time and then anyone else that already has an ATP. Apparently Cadets are no longer the Envoy golden children they once were. Or maybe there is just so many that even if you are in the program you just have to wait your turn.

 

Not a cadet and no 121 time. Just a cfi and I got my cjo in march or April. From a couple other people on various posts classes seemed to be mostly non121 the past month with only a couple people each class having previous 121. My friend was a cadet at atp who just went to ctp and was the only person from envoy there. There’s definitely a hierarchy and priority system but no telling what it is also just of note my friend also doesn’t have a class date and envoy wouldn’t confirm one till after ctp which was two weeks ago

Imo they are giving priority to previous hires awaiting class. Those that were backlogged and given the orientation and on payroll but awaiting class. Then 121 then cadets. As more previous 121 and cadets come online awaiting class they jump the queue of those waiting for for a date with lower priority.

 

That all sounds reasonable. Keep the faith and stay positive. Do things to make yourself better in the meantime.

 

Received my CJO last week about 5 weeks post interview. No 121 time, no ATP, 1700 hrs part 91 corporate with some part 61 instruction as well. I get that Envoy doesn’t want to disclose the wait times and is sorting through the apps and training delays- it just makes it difficult to play the chess game when other regionals have offered class dates in the near future. I know folks that are taking the “bird in hand” and starting class in the next 2 weeks at other regionals in hopes of getting in and out of the regionals quickly (possibly even quicker upgrade times if so many folks are going to AA WO). The pay is certainly hard to ignore, but if it’s a 6-8 month wait for class, then another 6 months to complete IOE, that could be lots of 121 flight hours lost and if the pay premium ends in 2024, maybe it makes more sense to get the resume for a larger carrier as soon as possible. Just thinking out loud.

 

So you’ve already done ATP/CTP with envoy?


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