Originally Posted by Ravenwing (Post 3612129)

I am prior Part 121 and had Orientation March 9th. My observation is that the training department has been scheduling somewhat last minute; I received email confirmation of an orientation date I had heard by phone exactly two weeks prior to that date along with a request for more paperwork. I received travel plans the day before I departed. Prior groups got Indoc dates at Orientation, we were told what dates to expect and I received confirmation of mine a week later. Envoy isn’t scheduling months out like everyone else.

The next Orientation date is April 13th. If you are on their firm list for this date you can expect to hear more by email on March 30th. I have heard of some cadets receiving less than two weeks notice, so it is possible Envoy will offer this date to more pilots closer in as they finalize numbers and plans. They are probably still prioritizing prior Part 121 pilots and hoping to fit in others too, maybe they discovered their hiring pool mostly went elsewhere and are now replacing them. If you are in their hiring pool and can accept less than two weeks notice, I would email your recruiters and remind them after March 30th. I would guess the May Orientation date will be May 11th or 18th since it is always on a Thursday.

As a pilot you are always going to be a number to your employer, they may expect loyalty but they won’t give you loyalty in return and they don’t care about what is fair. Until you are actually in Orientation you don’t have a firm spot on Envoy’s training list or pilot seniority list. The good thing is that with Envoy’s orientation system they start paying you up to six weeks before you actually start ground school.

Originally Posted by Aquilotti1 (Post 3630278)

whats the difference between indoc and orientation?

Originally Posted by Boneyard (Post 3640015)

So to be clear, your seniority number starts from orientation and not indoc?

Originally Posted by LRJdriver (Post 3612683)

FO. Non envoy cadet or previous 121 time. Hiring is def picking back up and they maybe back to taking more low time FOs. Thats a good sign, I hope it stays this way.

Originally Posted by Fix2fix (Post 3655529)

6 years ago in my new hire class, there was a decent amount of cadets for the cadet program. Do the cadets build seniority while they build flight time at a partner flight school?

Originally Posted by BigZ (Post 3655729)

No, they don't build seniority.
The only thing they build is company longevity, which lets them get to more vacation accrual sooner, but, if I recall correctly, that's the only thing it does.

Originally Posted by Ravenwing (Post 3655761)

The cadets get the highest seniority within their Orientation class in addition to longevity. That will gain them 30-60 seniority numbers and a sooner Indoc date.