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02-20-2023, 03:03 PM
#12
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Didn't need to the know the "golf" thing to know it was bogus. Companies are going to choose the path of least resistance to obtain their goals. If they wanted to bring regional airplane in house, they'd just do it and hire the pilots to fill those seats. Would be a hell of a lot easier than the negotiations that would be needed to merge/staple seniority lists.
02-21-2023, 12:14 PM
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The original poster isn't far off. This is something that's been on the table for a long time. With the pay rate increases that have happened in the last year, this issue has been driven to the front burner. I can confirm that it is being discussed at high levels and the burning question is exactly how to absorb Envoy and bring the pilots over onto the current AA contract. Being that AA is in negotiations with the pilots now is somewhat of a plus as it's something that has been broached as to how to incorporate this into the proposed TA. With everything that I'm hearing, I would expect further traction as negotiations continue.
02-21-2023, 03:03 PM
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For anyone new to the Envoy forum, the last post is from the resident Envoy management stooge, who I believe is not even here anymore. Expect posts that paint a rosy picture and rumors that will never come true from him.
02-21-2023, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by cr700
The original poster isn't far off. This is something that's been on the table for a long time. With the pay rate increases that have happened in the last year, this issue has been driven to the front burner. I can confirm that it is being discussed at high levels and the burning question is exactly how to absorb Envoy and bring the pilots over onto the current AA contract. Being that AA is in negotiations with the pilots now is somewhat of a plus as it's something that has been broached as to how to incorporate this into the proposed TA. With everything that I'm hearing, I would expect further traction as negotiations continue.
Originally Posted by cr700
Just announced yesterday. Envoy picking up 3 additional 175's to add to the fleet. I can tell you that they are looking at a larger additional order as well. Hopefully details out soon.
02-22-2023, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by cr700
The original poster isn't far off. This is something that's been on the table for a long time. With the pay rate increases that have happened in the last year, this issue has been driven to the front burner. I can confirm that it is being discussed at high levels and the burning question is exactly how to absorb Envoy and bring the pilots over onto the current AA contract. Being that AA is in negotiations with the pilots now is somewhat of a plus as it's something that has been broached as to how to incorporate this into the proposed TA. With everything that I'm hearing, I would expect further traction as negotiations continue.
If you knew what you were talking about, you would have seen the list that was created a few years ago. Have you seen it?
02-22-2023, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by bababouey
Why do all of you obsess over this? You already get to flow over in a few years no matter how fat and stupid you are. Group 1 rates are a big pay cut for your new rates anyhow.
An actual AA seniority list number would be worth more to many. That being said, I’m not one to believe it will ever happen, which is why I was quick to refute lackeys like CR700.
02-22-2023, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Beech Dude
My Magic 8 Ball says PDT will be gone in less than 5 yrs. PSA merges into Envoy. The 145s get sold to JetSuiteX et. al. One WO to mainline, Endeavor to DAL style.
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