Envoy pilots will vote on concessions ?
02-12-2014, 09:16 PM
#31
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Exactly what I've already told you
You'll end up a 180-197 plane company after some management punishment.
Your metering grievance meeting starts tomorrow as our guys have to be there too.
APA is not opposed to 3,000 new members. We made the presentation to bring you all over and the company balked due to FA, MX and ground labor group issues. We firmly believe as the shortage worsens they will eventually be forced to bring all flying under one roof. We estimate that to be no more than two years away.
We are working well with your MEC for the first time in years. It would have been beneficial had this cooperation existed during the bankruptcy. We do understand you have new leadership and new union Reps.
From what we've seen today, you have a winning team for the first time in decades. A more solid no vote would have been nice, but Rome wasn't built in a day. Keep going, you're making the correct long term career moves.
My nephew says it's the first time since being hired he feels real pride in wearing his Eagle wings. That alone is priceless.
You'll end up a 180-197 plane company after some management punishment.
Your metering grievance meeting starts tomorrow as our guys have to be there too.
APA is not opposed to 3,000 new members. We made the presentation to bring you all over and the company balked due to FA, MX and ground labor group issues. We firmly believe as the shortage worsens they will eventually be forced to bring all flying under one roof. We estimate that to be no more than two years away.
We are working well with your MEC for the first time in years. It would have been beneficial had this cooperation existed during the bankruptcy. We do understand you have new leadership and new union Reps.
From what we've seen today, you have a winning team for the first time in decades. A more solid no vote would have been nice, but Rome wasn't built in a day. Keep going, you're making the correct long term career moves.
My nephew says it's the first time since being hired he feels real pride in wearing his Eagle wings. That alone is priceless.
02-13-2014, 06:27 AM
#32
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He tells me you are an 824 guy soon to come over. Eagle's loss will be our gain. Please find a good replacement for yourself before joining our ranks. He says your new MEC chairman, and both NY guys have been catalysts for real change. If so, tell them the first rounds are on me.
02-13-2014, 06:46 AM
#33
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I believe I found a good replacement for myself if this whole process doesn't scare him away, LOL! I am an 824 guy with several months to go and 16 years at eagle. But it will be the highlight of my career if I can help steer us through this mess and leave my brothers at eagle in a good position. That's what I've been living for a couple of months now, and we are still in the middle. I am really proud if my group today, really proud. Now it's off to the office, miles to go today before I (continue a string of many days not getting enough) sleep.
02-13-2014, 10:24 AM
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You'll be hearing the 90-107 numbers soon. They will move the CRJ's elsewhere over a few years while shrinking through attrition to get through the next 3-4 years of the staffing shortage. Then the 90 options come back and you become 180-197 aircraft fleet. The really long term plans are to grow Eagle to 270 jets.
Under the AIP, they would have replaced enough jets to keep you at the 170 fleet minimum, but would have still ended up 180-197.
Under the AIP, they would have replaced enough jets to keep you at the 170 fleet minimum, but would have still ended up 180-197.
02-13-2014, 11:44 AM
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You'll be hearing the 90-107 numbers soon. They will move the CRJ's elsewhere over a few years while shrinking through attrition to get through the next 3-4 years of the staffing shortage. Then the 90 options come back and you become 180-197 aircraft fleet. The really long term plans are to grow Eagle to 270 jets.
Under the AIP, they would have replaced enough jets to keep you at the 170 fleet minimum, but would have still ended up 180-197.
Under the AIP, they would have replaced enough jets to keep you at the 170 fleet minimum, but would have still ended up 180-197.
02-13-2014, 01:01 PM
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02-13-2014, 03:59 PM
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It's just attrition. No furloughs, and most of the movement will be senior FO's and mid-junior captains. All regionals will be shrinking, but AE will have the extra 20-30 going off the top compared to others.
You're also seeing a 3-4 year drawdown to that number before the 90 orders start showing. If you're still at a regional be then, do us a favor, stay there, because something is definitely wrong with you.
They all are going to shrink, you're just getting an inside view of what Eagles will look like. Most others will have it worse.
You're also seeing a 3-4 year drawdown to that number before the 90 orders start showing. If you're still at a regional be then, do us a favor, stay there, because something is definitely wrong with you.
They all are going to shrink, you're just getting an inside view of what Eagles will look like. Most others will have it worse.
02-13-2014, 04:13 PM
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It's just attrition. No furloughs, and most of the movement will be senior FO's and mid-junior captains. All regionals will be shrinking, but AE will have the extra 20-30 going off the top compared to others.
You're also seeing a 3-4 year drawdown to that number before the 90 orders start showing. If you're still at a regional be then, do us a favor, stay there, because something is definitely wrong with you.
They all are going to shrink, you're just getting an inside view of what Eagles will look like. Most others will have it worse.
You're also seeing a 3-4 year drawdown to that number before the 90 orders start showing. If you're still at a regional be then, do us a favor, stay there, because something is definitely wrong with you.
They all are going to shrink, you're just getting an inside view of what Eagles will look like. Most others will have it worse.
I do agree though, all regionals will be shrinking. The downside to Eagle is with the large reduction in airframes you're talking about our relative seniority will stagnate. The seat you're in today is likely the seat you'll be in 5 years from now regardless of where you are on the list. PIC may not be necessary anymore but it is certainly still valuable.
02-13-2014, 04:35 PM
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Whether it's a job you WANT may be another thing. I for one am at my last regional. Up, here, or out.
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