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09-26-2015, 11:32 AM
#1351
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
I (eaglefly) am doing a lot of damage to Envoy ?
That's absurd. I've not impacted one passenger away from Envoy and almost certainly am not responsible for a single prospective pilot to choose or not to choose Envoy as an employer. Your claim is ridiculous and indicative of someone too emotional to think straight. Please list the "damages" I'm responsible for at Envoy............specific, known quantifiable damages, not hurt feelings or bruised egos. I dare you...............I double dare you !
The fact is that while pilots for the most part don't engage in the same level of discourse in the cockpits and perhaps even some degree in the crew rooms, that is not a good litmus to indicate the pulse of a carriers pilots in regard to their job satisfaction and QWL. The pilots arguably doing the most damage are those at Envoy telling it like it is or how they see it on EL and it ain't pretty. I'm just a more convenient messenger to shoot at, that's all. Envoy isn't alone in some pilots disputing others claims of X at their carrier, it's just it seems many (but not all) Envoy pilots have more self-serving goals they feel are threatened by that.
Your own union posts the summary above confirming internally amongst yourselves that management is falling short and implying morale is poor, yet at least one of them and a slew of others are here telling another story, i.e. that "the tide HAS turned" and "it's a good time to be an Envoy pilot".
One story internally amongst yourselves and another story externally to those looking for information. I'm sorry, but that's B.S. in my book.
That's absurd. I've not impacted one passenger away from Envoy and almost certainly am not responsible for a single prospective pilot to choose or not to choose Envoy as an employer. Your claim is ridiculous and indicative of someone too emotional to think straight. Please list the "damages" I'm responsible for at Envoy............specific, known quantifiable damages, not hurt feelings or bruised egos. I dare you...............I double dare you !
The fact is that while pilots for the most part don't engage in the same level of discourse in the cockpits and perhaps even some degree in the crew rooms, that is not a good litmus to indicate the pulse of a carriers pilots in regard to their job satisfaction and QWL. The pilots arguably doing the most damage are those at Envoy telling it like it is or how they see it on EL and it ain't pretty. I'm just a more convenient messenger to shoot at, that's all. Envoy isn't alone in some pilots disputing others claims of X at their carrier, it's just it seems many (but not all) Envoy pilots have more self-serving goals they feel are threatened by that.
Your own union posts the summary above confirming internally amongst yourselves that management is falling short and implying morale is poor, yet at least one of them and a slew of others are here telling another story, i.e. that "the tide HAS turned" and "it's a good time to be an Envoy pilot".
One story internally amongst yourselves and another story externally to those looking for information. I'm sorry, but that's B.S. in my book.
Lastly, are you really saying eagle lounge is a representative sample of the realities of Eagle?
Are you kidding me?
09-26-2015, 11:33 AM
#1352
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
Really ?
Gee, if one were to join Eaglelounge and see exactly what Envoy pilots are saying about their company, other companies, their pilots and about each other, I beg to differ that it's just "sad" former pilots with supposed axes to grind that have critical opinions. It's all there, good, bad and ugly and I can assure all, it's mostly ugly. Hey, I've never once criticized or questioned your airlines maintenance, safety or AA benefits, per se, just the actions of some of its pilots and union reps and clumsy missteps of your union leadership, IMO.
This of course, angers some of you who couldn't care less about Envoy's long-term future (which is what new-hire pilots of today should be concerned about), but about ensuring a house of cards doesn't collapse BEFORE you make it out the exit door, most likely to AA. You and I know most of you don't give a rats petunia about the body count there once you're gone. Ironically, I DO and so which of us REALLY cares more ?
I'd argue it's me.
Gee, if one were to join Eaglelounge and see exactly what Envoy pilots are saying about their company, other companies, their pilots and about each other, I beg to differ that it's just "sad" former pilots with supposed axes to grind that have critical opinions. It's all there, good, bad and ugly and I can assure all, it's mostly ugly. Hey, I've never once criticized or questioned your airlines maintenance, safety or AA benefits, per se, just the actions of some of its pilots and union reps and clumsy missteps of your union leadership, IMO.
This of course, angers some of you who couldn't care less about Envoy's long-term future (which is what new-hire pilots of today should be concerned about), but about ensuring a house of cards doesn't collapse BEFORE you make it out the exit door, most likely to AA. You and I know most of you don't give a rats petunia about the body count there once you're gone. Ironically, I DO and so which of us REALLY cares more ?
I'd argue it's me.
Envoy have 2,000 pilots and maybe there's about 200guys that are active in eaglelounge, that's only a 10%. Most new hires I've talked to are happy working here. Unfortunately people that passed thru the BK and the whole PSA backstabbing still have no thrust in management. Management have a long way to go, to prove 1,900 pilots their word.
But things are better, even calling at scheduling these days are wayyyyyyy different than 3 years ago. I've never had any problem with the company and crews are great.
All the new hires will have a different future you had, even a better future than mine.
09-26-2015, 12:34 PM
#1353
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Posts: 480
Originally Posted by PilotJ3
Well, eaglelounge si a forum in which most people are disgruntled. They can give us 200 brand new planes and pilots will keep *****ing about something at Eaglelounge.
Envoy have 2,000 pilots and maybe there's about 200guys that are active in eaglelounge, that's only a 10%. Most new hires I've talked to are happy working here. Unfortunately people that passed thru the BK and the whole PSA backstabbing still have no thrust in management. Management have a long way to go, to prove 1,900 pilots their word.
But things are better, even calling at scheduling these days are wayyyyyyy different than 3 years ago. I've never had any problem with the company and crews are great.
All the new hires will have a different future you had, even a better future than mine.
Envoy have 2,000 pilots and maybe there's about 200guys that are active in eaglelounge, that's only a 10%. Most new hires I've talked to are happy working here. Unfortunately people that passed thru the BK and the whole PSA backstabbing still have no thrust in management. Management have a long way to go, to prove 1,900 pilots their word.
But things are better, even calling at scheduling these days are wayyyyyyy different than 3 years ago. I've never had any problem with the company and crews are great.
All the new hires will have a different future you had, even a better future than mine.
09-26-2015, 12:38 PM
#1354
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Posts: 43
Originally Posted by eaglefly
I (eaglefly) am doing a lot of damage to Envoy ?
That's absurd. I've not impacted one passenger away from Envoy and almost certainly am not responsible for a single prospective pilot to choose or not to choose Envoy as an employer. Your claim is ridiculous and indicative of someone too emotional to think straight. Please list the "damages" I'm responsible for at Envoy............specific, known quantifiable damages, not hurt feelings or bruised egos. I dare you...............I double dare you !
The fact is that while pilots for the most part don't engage in the same level of discourse in the cockpits and perhaps even some degree in the crew rooms, that is not a good litmus to indicate the pulse of a carriers pilots in regard to their job satisfaction and QWL. The pilots arguably doing the most damage are those at Envoy telling it like it is or how they see it on EL and it ain't pretty. I'm just a more convenient messenger to shoot at, that's all. Envoy isn't alone in some pilots disputing others claims of X at their carrier, it's just it seems many (but not all) Envoy pilots have more self-serving goals they feel are threatened by that.
Your own union posts the summary above confirming internally amongst yourselves that management is falling short and implying morale is poor, yet at least one of them and a slew of others are here telling another story, i.e. that "the tide HAS turned" and "it's a good time to be an Envoy pilot".
One story internally amongst yourselves and another story externally to those looking for information. I'm sorry, but that's B.S. in my book.
That's absurd. I've not impacted one passenger away from Envoy and almost certainly am not responsible for a single prospective pilot to choose or not to choose Envoy as an employer. Your claim is ridiculous and indicative of someone too emotional to think straight. Please list the "damages" I'm responsible for at Envoy............specific, known quantifiable damages, not hurt feelings or bruised egos. I dare you...............I double dare you !
The fact is that while pilots for the most part don't engage in the same level of discourse in the cockpits and perhaps even some degree in the crew rooms, that is not a good litmus to indicate the pulse of a carriers pilots in regard to their job satisfaction and QWL. The pilots arguably doing the most damage are those at Envoy telling it like it is or how they see it on EL and it ain't pretty. I'm just a more convenient messenger to shoot at, that's all. Envoy isn't alone in some pilots disputing others claims of X at their carrier, it's just it seems many (but not all) Envoy pilots have more self-serving goals they feel are threatened by that.
Your own union posts the summary above confirming internally amongst yourselves that management is falling short and implying morale is poor, yet at least one of them and a slew of others are here telling another story, i.e. that "the tide HAS turned" and "it's a good time to be an Envoy pilot".
One story internally amongst yourselves and another story externally to those looking for information. I'm sorry, but that's B.S. in my book.
As for me, since I have a life, i ll just go back to enjoying it and maybe poke you again in a year or so.
09-26-2015, 01:37 PM
#1356
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09-27-2015, 06:19 AM
#1357
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Posts: 8,350
Originally Posted by Fopuddle
Yeah, you got me. i'm so emotional that I spend every day *****ing about a carrier that I dont even work for... Oh wait that's you. I think it's time for you to move on buddy and let it go. I dare you...
As for me, since I have a life, i ll just go back to enjoying it and maybe poke you again in a year or so.
As for me, since I have a life, i ll just go back to enjoying it and maybe poke you again in a year or so.
*sigh* Perhaps one day I too will get a life so I could periodically poke others like you.
Oh, to dream a little dream............
09-27-2015, 06:27 AM
#1358
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
09-27-2015, 06:31 AM
#1359
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Originally Posted by livetofly2123
how much is health care at envoy for a family of three?
Is this price expected to go up and is it good insurance
Is this price expected to go up and is it good insurance
In additional, one of the demands made by AAG to all three WO's was increased contributions. Envoy will go from 30% employee match to 35% employee match over a 5 year period. The others have similar provisions in their CBA.
Frankly, it's one of the things that they should give back at all three WO's
Is it good insurance? They are self insured and use BC&BS to administer the plan. Because they are self insured they fall under slightly different rules than an actual insurance company. Some things they cover more than required, and some things less or not at all. The yearly deductible has increased over the years but is still less than at some larger carriers.
Overall it's not bad; but it isn't the best either. I think we'd get better coverage from a group HMO. They say the most profitable industry on the planet is the insurance industry; it's no wonder they insist on being self insured.
09-27-2015, 08:55 AM
#1360
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Originally Posted by eaglefly
I have to admit some jealousy here. Remember that I'm a sad man with obviously no life, so this is all I have. Other upset Envoy pilots have reaffirmed that repeatedly, so it simply HAS to be true as we all know that an Envoy pilot is NEVER wrong. Anyhow, considering all that, how could I let it go !
*sigh* Perhaps one day I too will get a life so I could periodically poke others like you. Oh, to dream a little dream............
*sigh* Perhaps one day I too will get a life so I could periodically poke others like you.
Oh, to dream a little dream............Also dream big my friend, not small
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