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#1381
No, I wasn't looking for advice on where to go. I've been disgruntley employed for the past year. But if this is your attempt to discredit my advice, please tell us why you think he should start at the regional level?
My apologies. I meant Southwest. Thanks for the catch.
I should have mentioned Virgin America as well, even if they don't like us former helo pukes. I understand they are military friendly.
My apologies. I meant Southwest. Thanks for the catch.
I should have mentioned Virgin America as well, even if they don't like us former helo pukes. I understand they are military friendly.
With his creds he just needs to get current, after that he'll go legacy before he finishes probation is my guess.
There are plenty with east coast bases. They're all hiring. Pick something close to home. It's a pilot's market. No need to chase a regional job across country.
#1382
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
That's what I get for looking at a thread without logging in. I have to read this smug garbage.
Seriously folks, just put him on ignore. It gets a lot better.
He's like that sci-fi trope where blasting the enemy creature gives it more power. Just stop feeding it, it'll wither away and die.
He provides no real info, so you can't disprove him like he asks. You can't disprove made up BS, he just makes more up. You just wind up chasing your tail.
This guy literally lives for this site. He is #15 of all time posters on this site, first page out of 494 pages of members. He's got nothing to do except wreck threads and make them all about eaglefly. #15. There's only 14 above him, topmost with 20,000 posts. That tell you how much love he has for what he does here? What his life revolves around?
Stop Feeding the Damn Troll.
Seriously folks, just put him on ignore. It gets a lot better.
He's like that sci-fi trope where blasting the enemy creature gives it more power. Just stop feeding it, it'll wither away and die.
He provides no real info, so you can't disprove him like he asks. You can't disprove made up BS, he just makes more up. You just wind up chasing your tail.
This guy literally lives for this site. He is #15 of all time posters on this site, first page out of 494 pages of members. He's got nothing to do except wreck threads and make them all about eaglefly. #15. There's only 14 above him, topmost with 20,000 posts. That tell you how much love he has for what he does here? What his life revolves around?
Stop Feeding the Damn Troll.
My points can be proven on Eaglelounge right now for anyone who wants to see the "ugly" part of the good, bad and ugly (see the thread about IBT National....). Apparently the hiring numbers aren't anywhere where they need to be and this whole house of cards can only avoid collapse if they are. Pilots are questioning the claims made by management and the union regarding flow and hiring.
It's not just me saying it, it's present ENVOY pilots.
Mason is dancing as fast as he can here with a water bucket on his head, so stay tuned !
#1383
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: middle seat in the back
Posts: 232
That's what I get for looking at a thread without logging in. I have to read this smug garbage.
Seriously folks, just put him on ignore. It gets a lot better.
He's like that sci-fi trope where blasting the enemy creature gives it more power. Just stop feeding it, it'll wither away and die.
He provides no real info, so you can't disprove him like he asks. You can't disprove made up BS, he just makes more up. You just wind up chasing your tail.
This guy literally lives for this site. He is #15 of all time posters on this site, first page out of 494 pages of members. He's got nothing to do except wreck threads and make them all about eaglefly. #15. There's only 14 above him, topmost with 20,000 posts. That tell you how much love he has for what he does here? What his life revolves around?
Stop Feeding the Damn Troll.
Seriously folks, just put him on ignore. It gets a lot better.
He's like that sci-fi trope where blasting the enemy creature gives it more power. Just stop feeding it, it'll wither away and die.
He provides no real info, so you can't disprove him like he asks. You can't disprove made up BS, he just makes more up. You just wind up chasing your tail.
This guy literally lives for this site. He is #15 of all time posters on this site, first page out of 494 pages of members. He's got nothing to do except wreck threads and make them all about eaglefly. #15. There's only 14 above him, topmost with 20,000 posts. That tell you how much love he has for what he does here? What his life revolves around?
Stop Feeding the Damn Troll.
#1384
@%$*&.......accidentally deleted long post proving you wrong. Anyhow;
My points can be proven on Eaglelounge right now for anyone who wants to see the "ugly" part of the good, bad and ugly (see the thread about IBT National....). Apparently the hiring numbers aren't anywhere where they need to be and this whole house of cards can only avoid collapse if they are. Pilots are questioning the claims made by management and the union regarding flow and hiring.
It's not just me saying it, it's present ENVOY pilots.
Mason is dancing as fast as he can here with a water bucket on his head, so stay tuned !
My points can be proven on Eaglelounge right now for anyone who wants to see the "ugly" part of the good, bad and ugly (see the thread about IBT National....). Apparently the hiring numbers aren't anywhere where they need to be and this whole house of cards can only avoid collapse if they are. Pilots are questioning the claims made by management and the union regarding flow and hiring.
It's not just me saying it, it's present ENVOY pilots.
Mason is dancing as fast as he can here with a water bucket on his head, so stay tuned !
Yes, pilots are questioning Union and management claims. This is nothing new. We should ALWAYS question claims that seem too good to be true.
#1385
@%$*&.......accidentally deleted long post proving you wrong. Anyhow;
My points can be proven on Eaglelounge right now for anyone who wants to see the "ugly" part of the good, bad and ugly (see the thread about IBT National....). Apparently the hiring numbers aren't anywhere where they need to be and this whole house of cards can only avoid collapse if they are. Pilots are questioning the claims made by management and the union regarding flow and hiring.
It's not just me saying it, it's present ENVOY pilots.
Mason is dancing as fast as he can here with a water bucket on his head, so stay tuned !
My points can be proven on Eaglelounge right now for anyone who wants to see the "ugly" part of the good, bad and ugly (see the thread about IBT National....). Apparently the hiring numbers aren't anywhere where they need to be and this whole house of cards can only avoid collapse if they are. Pilots are questioning the claims made by management and the union regarding flow and hiring.
It's not just me saying it, it's present ENVOY pilots.
Mason is dancing as fast as he can here with a water bucket on his head, so stay tuned !
Some may over estimate the ability to hire but hey, just like you (and this is the part you REALLY have to focus on...seriously. Pause for a second or two. Get ready for your mind. to. be. blown) have their own opinions that not all agree with.
So you say your say, I say mine, others say theirs.
Just remember eaglefly,
We believe you! Because as you say, you are all we have.
We believe you!
#1386
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 499
The same place anybody should. Closets to home first, easiest commute second, commutable third, relocate last.
With his creds he just needs to get current, after that he'll go legacy before he finishes probation is my guess.
There are plenty with east coast bases. They're all hiring. Pick something close to home. It's a pilot's market. No need to chase a regional job across country.
With his creds he just needs to get current, after that he'll go legacy before he finishes probation is my guess.
There are plenty with east coast bases. They're all hiring. Pick something close to home. It's a pilot's market. No need to chase a regional job across country.
#1387
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
Hiring numbers since the 5.5 was announced were 33 last month (above average) and 12 this month (below average). That's batting .500. Of course, we all know that it is just two months worth of data and a limited sample size, which doesn't prove anyone's point. Regardless of speculation, the numbers will tell the story each month as they either meet or don't meet Envoy's need.
Yes, pilots are questioning Union and management claims. This is nothing new. We should ALWAYS question claims that seem too good to be true.
Yes, pilots are questioning Union and management claims. This is nothing new. We should ALWAYS question claims that seem too good to be true.
I think it's critical for all to understand AAG's plans for Envoy and Envoy managements desires for Envoy can be and are very likely two different things. AAG appears not interested in making any investment in Envoy and Envoy management appears desperate to maximize Envoy's chances of not being fragmented in some form of consolidation in the future for they may be kicked to the curb much like many pre-merger LAA execs were or at least if so, to have a better footing with which to argue their viability and competance to be retained.
What you're seeing now might simply be a dance between two partners dancing to different music.
#1388
Banned
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 8,350
It has nothing to do with present employment and everything to do with being valid or invalid.
Some may over estimate the ability to hire but hey, just like you (and this is the part you REALLY have to focus on...seriously. Pause for a second or two. Get ready for your mind. to. be. blown) have their own opinions that not all agree with.
So you say your say, I say mine, others say theirs.
Just remember eaglefly,
We believe you! Because as you say, you are all we have.
We believe you!
So you say your say, I say mine, others say theirs.
Just remember eaglefly,
We believe you! Because as you say, you are all we have.
We believe you!
Of course not. If it wasn't for me, you'd have no one to blame.
#1389
Exactly correct you are. Which explains all the LCC and legacies lining up to get him current. Oh wait.......
#1390
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2015
Posts: 499
They never said they explored those options. They may have assumed they just needed to start at a regional. JB flat out said a break in flying for military isn't a big deal. Try giving people advice and help even if it won't serve you or your future.
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