eaglefly

Hey, then just provide info to refute my statement instead of getting mods to become your censorship hatchet men. Some of you guys throw around the "troll" term only in the hope you can have people silenced who you dislike or as one of your chums said "run off" the forum.

If anyone should be dealt with by mods, it's those engaging in repeated personal attack, insults and foul language. If you're too emotional to have conversations here, discuss and disagree, get out.

Skyvector

You said it: travel benefits diluted. So explain that one, eaglefly. If that isn't trolling what is it? More of your "facts"? The only reason you get away with your garbage around here is because there are no Mods to keep people like you in check. No, you are not the only one.

But most other trolls wear that title proudly and have fun with it..still doesn't make it right but they make no mystery of who they are.

You on the other hand attempt to present yourself as a serious poster and the only one with the "facts" and "truth"...you are the worst kind of troll. The one who disguises himself as a serious person and attempts to discredit those around him.

So go ahead and explain yourself. You said, "travel benefits diluted". Don't run away from your words now.

snippercr

Our travel benefits have been reaffirmed several times as not being changed in anyway at the wholly owned level. If you are referring to the new envoy portal, when you load up the NRTP it is the exact same one as on Jetnet. Exact same one. Same thing when you go to myIDTravel, Deals and Discounts, the entire WebRef, and hotel/car rentals. In fact, the only thing I haven't been able to find is the "Travel Talk" that only a few people use and 90% of the questions are how to get the APD waived out of LHR.

The only thing that has been diluted is priority on non-AAG metal but since that effects all AAG employees, not sure how that is specific to Envoy.

Aviatrx

In fact our benefits have been improved in that we have a larger network with the inclusion of US Air. This is a huge benefit for my family

eaglefly

Jesus.............always the usual suspects saying the same things. Hey, I was referring to the change over to the new policy of a hybrid AA/US policy effective 9/1 that puts non wholly-owned employees ahead of Envoy D3's which IMO shouldn't be that way. Anyway, what this has to do with the flow or upgrades I don't know, but I assume you're just doing your usual irrelevent sharpshooting and of course, using that as foundation to demand the mods remove me for simply posting something you disagree with and also of course, erronously applying your favorite buzzword of "troll" to give your demand some weight.

If you disagreed, you could have posted just like snipper just did and if incorrect, I would have just said "I stand corrected", etc. Dispite you and others hysterics, I've never claimed my opinions are ALWAYS correct. All you have to do is disagree with them or correct me when I'm wrong. Instead, it's almost always a shower of rocks, profanity and demands for censorship.

Cujo665

Come on guys... you can't point out facts... his head will explode.

eaglefly

You mean like Mason32's did when his "facts" fell apart ?

BOOM !

You don't think that could happen once again, no ?

snippercr

Another aspect I do not like about the change to non-rev procedures is non wholly owned go ahead of all AAG employees on their own metal regardless of pass type. It makes sense that say a Skywest family should board ahead of all AAG employees on their own metal. However, on United if a mainline person uses their "Vacation Passes" (D1s for AAG) doesnt it board ahead of all others? Note: This change effects ALL AAG employees (AA, US, PDT,PSA,ENY) equally.

eaglefly

Agreed. In the case of Envoy and the other WO's, the concept of being "owned" by the parent should mean something, but it appears AAG is determined to favor no one in regards to "affiliates" in their regional stable, unlike the past. This to me is another indication that ultimately, since there will be no favorites, that any affiliate can and will be used for whatever purpose is temporarily useful to them wholly-owned or not. It's just another reason why I see the claims Envoy in particular can provide X to anyone in the future to be folly as it is not likely to resemble its present self in size or mission within a couple of years. Based on that likely morphing into whatever (or whomever), I find the flow and thus upgrade projections to be truly the reading of tea leaves and the present or recent past being a poor indicator of the future.

I just think most there would be best served operating from and acknowledging a position of cautious suspicion rather then irrational exuberance or in some cases delusional fantasy.

buddies8

as a former eagle and current envoy pilot, i agree with this statement.