eaglefly

This is an absurd post. If you believe this, you'll believe anything and.........it certainly appears you do.

Cujo665

There were NO street hires for June, only recalls. The unfilled seats in class ALL went to Envoy and total was 5. How may were we "entitled" to... zero. A 500% increase for that month.

Gripe all you want; our flow is retirement driven; unless they discover the fountain of youth, 50% of all AA pilots will be coming from envoy.

3inthegreen

I repeat, from all intelligence gathered, we are proud to announce..............

eaglefly

Still waiting for your 12% above and beyond 824 calculation since the first 824 flowed. Only you could spin 5 flows in one month as a "500% increase". You're one heck of a salesman !

Cujo665

We met with Isom, Hashimoto and Pedro early this year. Shortly afterwards all street hires stopped so they could send more from Envoy.
So far this year we have sent 73 and they've street hired 32 before shutting off new hires. So you're right, it's not 62%.... It's more like 230% of the 32 street hires.

eaglefly

Yes, I heard about that little meeting. You're blowing that one WAY out of proportion and now you're slicing and dicing to avoid my question. From what I heard, Isom never promised you a thing and was sympathetic, but vague and turned most of the schtick over to Hashimoto who ran back for a huddle with Pedro afterwards that produced little (except a declaration of war over reserve). Please correct the below math with facts;

First 824 pilot in December 2013. 18 months of flowing about 330 or so pilots almost equals the minimum required 20/month, but NOT 12% more. Furthermore, to my knowledge it's 20/month and not 240/year. There IS a difference, you know.

Have they met the CONTRACTUAL REQUIRMENT in June and EVERY month since the first 824 flowed ?

Getting a straight answer out of you is more difficult then getting it from an airline executive. Perhaps you're in training for that ?

Cujo665

It is not 20 a month, nor has it ever been. It's 50% of each new hire position; which may be witheld (I do not call it metering for a reason) to 20.

RyanP

Making up numbers again since you don't work here? Where does 15-20 by next summer come from?

Actually it's 55 FO's that were awarded the 175 on this first batch and they all already have class dates starting in September, even the latest class is in January. There will be more as we start taking deliveries.

With the majority of them being DFW FO's, that is a lot of movement for the junior DFE FO's. Better than what it has been.

What is your obsession with this place anyway? You got your Flow-through to AA and moved on..

eaglefly

First it was slice and dice, then deflection to snippets and now you're hiding behind semantics. "Withheld to 20" IS a minimum of 20. It seems you refuse to admit Envoy HAS NOT flowed 12% more than promised as per the 824 agreement and you were blowing smoke with that claim.

I guess some salesman just simply cannot be convinced of anything but their own sales pitch.

Cujo665

No, withheld to 20 is NOT a minimum of 20. If they hire 10, we get 5... Not a minimum of 20.

The entire rest of your dribble is equally flawed