Apparently that's all over and it's a good time to be an Envoy pilot (at least according to one). According to that "one", by the end of next weekend, Envoy is expected to announce the slowed transfer of the CRJ's to PSA which MAY be true, but more significant that as a result, Envoy will remain a 200 aircraft airline about the same size as now for the forseeable future, so the contraction to 100-110 airframes has supposedly been cancelled which is the only way the next claim could occur. That next claim is the net result of about 270 upgrades in the next 6 months and a smooth running split-spool axial flow, flow-through operating at RTO thrust for the forseeable future and 600 pilots hired annually (on a side note, Envoy claimed they planned to hire 600 pilots in 2014 or was it 2013 ?, but only hired about 106 that year, last I heard). Supposedly, one could expect that means today's reserve F/O's will be line holding captains within one to two years and at AA in perhaps 4. At least that is what is being represented here by one. It's the only certainty that seems to be floating around right now.

Of course I and a few others have a different OPINION on the validity of that all but certain claim and personally, I feel it's a disservice to represent that as fact, when it is not. No one knows what AAG's true plan with Envoy is and that plan may not be something Envoy management wants or is even aware of themselves. Their job is to just keep the Envoy feed footprint going as best they can. Stay tuned over the next 6 months to see if all these predictions really are certainties or just desires.

 

I think it more accurate to term it 40 Planes of Silver.

 

There fixed it for you!

The Cuj will deliver as promised.

Good Luck!

 

How can it be fixed if you said "The cuj" will deliver? Which one is it? The CRJs are already gone or has not a single one been transferred yet and "The Cuj" is right? Which one is it?

Thanks!

 

"you'll never hit 4th year FO pay they said"

 

Well everyone knew that was a lie I'm sure, otherwise why would the company want it so bad. A few months back it seemed the entire negotiation hinged on that point.

 

Three(3) C7's a month to your bros-sisters at PSA till the end of the year. That does not seem like a slow down like your savior was predicting. But if you hang enough, you might upgrade.

Good Luck!

 

No it isn't 4yrs. I just flew with an FO who was a LINE holder that has a bit over 1 year of seniority. He finished IOE in 2014. Not even sure what the actual junior line holder is but it's nowhere near 4 years. Maybe in some statuses but not all of them.

 

It sounds like Envoy is overstaffed to begin with, and that is before the departure of the 47 CRJ700's that just began. If reserve is 4 years today, it sounds like it will go much higher now. Waiting for cujo to set the record straight.

 

Buddy of mine over there says he was in the CPs office and overheard that you guys will likely be getting a lot more 175's than originally thought. Some may be coming from an as yet undisclosed carrier. Take that vague rumor for what you will. Rumor also has it that AAG would like to move even more of its feed in-house. Bad news for AWAC and RAH and some others, good news for the wholly-owneds.