Grrrr

Have some class man. I work at PSA and even I can't stand you. That's disgusting

joek

Ugh..... Come on man. We already had one idiot say that on FB.

use2fly

Could be the same idiot

Bzzt

*analyst*

Compass replaced its flow pilots through cannibalization of dead end regionals (Endeavour, ExpressJet, Envoy, RAH, etc.). People willing to make lateral moves are getting pretty hard to find. Judging by training starts and commercial certificate completion there just aren't enough new pilots to cover a 30/month flow.

404yxl

We already covered the flow pilots. That wasn't an issue. What is an issue is hiring non-121 pilots now since there is not much of a benefit for them to come here. Same situation as PSA, if not worse.

You turned down a job to go to Compass at the beginning of the wave and would be sitting 50% on the list right now. A wave that was as predictable as the sun rising. You are terrible as an annalist.

Crawl

He has the skillset of an analyst + therapist = analrapist!

WaterRooster

Reading this forum is like being on Xbox live. Bunch of 12 year olds talking **** because they can hide behind the Internet. People ask for information and then the trolls come in. You call yourselves professionals Fking act like it.

Cujo665

For AA not to hire steadily the next 10 years would require freezing time. Extending it two years (65 to 67) doesn't change much either in the big picture. The mandatory retirements alone drive the hiring. Every major is facing this kind of hiring issue.

AA Mandatory Retirements by Year. Doesn't include early retirements or any growth at all.

2015 - 285
2016 - 341
2017 - 424
2018 - 562
2019 - 692
2020 - 796
2021 - 830
2022 - 870
2023 - 1,003
2024 - 956

Total 6,759 in the 10 year duration of our CBA

2200 Envoy pilots
1850ish that will flow. At 50% that means 3,700 retirements are needed to send our 1850 (and assumes they won't hire in advance to front load the years with heavy retirements)
The retirements totals hit 3,700 in 2021.
So, doing the 50% flow it's still 6 years to flow our entire list to AA.

Any growth at all, and any front loading new hires to balance training just sends ourt guys faster. Lately we've been getting up to 66% of each class, so going early isn't out of the question. They've realized it lowers our average longevity, and helps their final bottom line to move our senior guys over quickly so long as it doesn't hurt the operation here.

Don't get me wrong, there is a ton of stuff they do that is just outright wrong... but thier flow since AAG took over from AMR isn't one of them, they've been performing better than agreed.

Bzzt

Flow is more important than PIC time, there are quite literally thousands of pilots with 121 PIC who can't get an interview at a legacy to save their lives.

I don't regret turning Compass down, it's likely that company is one of the early regionals to fold as it's owned by TransStates and had absolutely abysmal performance for AA which will likely lead to penalties.

I'm much happier out of aviation completely, thanks for the update on where I'd be at Compass though.

eaglefly

Of course, if you DO flow, you are automatically considered a loser who couldn't get hired anywhere else and not worthy of the job itself............well, at least to many of those waiting to............yep, flow themselves.