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05-23-2015 | 06:44 AM
#361
patience
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Your counting the guys that didn't make it through initial training as attrition. How many pilots does Envoy have on the list with hire dates after November 2011?
05-23-2015 | 07:49 AM
#362
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Feb 2014
Posts: 3,578
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From: Semi-Retired...
Can't tell you how many they hired. I can tell you how many are in each seniority block.
1999- 217 (remaining after the latest transferred class)
2000- 165
2001- 88
2002 - 0
2003 - 1
2004 - 120
2005 - 65
2006 - 117
2007 - 248
2008 - 158
2009 - 0
2010 - 122
2011 - 350
2012 - 8
2013 - 94
2014 - 86
2015 - 27
1,866 active
2205 is the total number on my list.
1,866 - 500 (rounding off 824's remaining) = 1,366
500 / 360 = 1.4 yearrs (360 doesn't start until November, so add .5)
300 that will not flow leaves 1,066 that will
Under their plan a street hire now goes to AA in under 6 years.
05-23-2015 | 07:56 AM
#363
Line Holder
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 631
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I have from October 2011 at 266, and with the company's plan working as designed they'll be at AA in less than 6 years. How long before your new hires go to AA?
Can't tell you how many they hired. I can tell you how many are in each seniority block.
1999- 217 (remaining after the latest transferred class)
2000- 165
2001- 88
2002 - 0
2003 - 1
2004 - 120
2005 - 65
2006 - 117
2007 - 248
2008 - 158
2009 - 0
2010 - 122
2011 - 350
2012 - 8
2013 - 94
2014 - 86
2015 - 27
1,866 active
2205 is the total number on my list.
1,866 - 500 (rounding off 824's remaining) = 1,366
500 / 360 = 1.4 yearrs (360 doesn't start until November, so add .5)
300 that will not flow leaves 1,066 that will
Under their plan a street hire now goes to AA in under 6 years.
Can't tell you how many they hired. I can tell you how many are in each seniority block.
1999- 217 (remaining after the latest transferred class)
2000- 165
2001- 88
2002 - 0
2003 - 1
2004 - 120
2005 - 65
2006 - 117
2007 - 248
2008 - 158
2009 - 0
2010 - 122
2011 - 350
2012 - 8
2013 - 94
2014 - 86
2015 - 27
1,866 active
2205 is the total number on my list.
1,866 - 500 (rounding off 824's remaining) = 1,366
500 / 360 = 1.4 yearrs (360 doesn't start until November, so add .5)
300 that will not flow leaves 1,066 that will
Under their plan a street hire now goes to AA in under 6 years.
While your factual info here is good, knowing the scoop on your run-ins with management might put a slightly different light on your current spin of things.
05-23-2015 | 08:18 AM
#364
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,707
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The only union reps that don't get threatened by management are in managements back pocket, we have had many here at eagle/envoy that fit that description. Now management can't control so they threaten. You point is what, whenever a union rep gets threatened they should resign, well then everyone in political office should comply, from Obama and down.
And actually he has been saying that after about 18-24 months things should improve here at envoy and that there is no reason to concede anything.
And actually he has been saying that after about 18-24 months things should improve here at envoy and that there is no reason to concede anything.
05-23-2015 | 08:19 AM
#365
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Joined: Jul 2010
Posts: 3,869
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I believe that when the 824 are finished, it goes from 50% to 35% until the 40th E175 arrives, then back to 50%, is that correct Cujo? At the rate things are moving, and the rough numbers I ran, it would only be about 6 months of 35% before being bumped back up to 50%. Like I said, very rough numbers.
05-23-2015 | 08:39 AM
#367
Line Holder
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 631
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The only union reps that don't get threatened by management are in managements back pocket, we have had many here at eagle/envoy that fit that description. Now management can't control so they threaten. You point is what, whenever a union rep gets threatened they should resign, well then everyone in political office should comply, from Obama and down.
And actually he has been saying that after about 18-24 months things should improve here at envoy and that there is no reason to concede anything.
And actually he has been saying that after about 18-24 months things should improve here at envoy and that there is no reason to concede anything.
A rep getting threatened by the inept fools who claim they run this place is not in and of itself a bad thing. Not telling everyone what happened, and then trumpeting the management cause is what's problematic.
05-23-2015 | 08:53 AM
#368
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Aug 2011
Posts: 394
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All these guys saying Envoy is headed for shut down are way off base. We are shrinking, but that's slowing dramatically and we'll be taking 40 eJets starting this fall.
Things were rough for awhile, but we've definitely turned the corner. We have guaranteed movement for years to come with the flow. Attrition is mostly off the top these days because guys farther down the list realize it'll be better here than many other regionals.
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Things were rough for awhile, but we've definitely turned the corner. We have guaranteed movement for years to come with the flow. Attrition is mostly off the top these days because guys farther down the list realize it'll be better here than many other regionals.
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05-23-2015 | 09:05 AM
#370
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Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 243
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I wouldn't put to much stock into these PSA naysayers. FirstClass is on a RAH board touting their demise. I guess they feel the need to beat everyone down, so they can continue the airline pyramid scheme. The fact of the matter is a new hire at Envoy will flow faster to AAG then at any other regional.
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