Wow, really?

I realize it's probably hard to keep up with all of the people you irritate.
It's in the post that is two above the post you quoted, he (or she) is Tsuda. Do you see how I got that? My post that you quoted is #303, your post was #301. In your post you quoted a user with the name of Tsuda. See how simple that is?

I included my math below in case you didn't understand how I came up with 2.

303-301=2

Let me know if I can help you with anything else

 

Anyone know what this clown's talking about?

 

I knew it would be too complicated for you.

Sorry to confuse you, now go back outside and play

 

I think he is talking about the delay of envoys C7 to PSA.


Good Luck!

 

That is good to hear. Hopefully it will get even shorter. I am on the ERJ, and that is what FO's have told me. Either way, should be trending shorter

 

Actually, yes.

What really WAS promised and when ?

You're throwing too many unrelated and incorrect ingredients into your crow stew in an attempt to lure new customers to the Envoy café.

First of all, there are variables that are sometimes present and sometimes not. The first variable is that the "flow" between 2010 and sometime in later 2012 IIRC, was moving the original Letter 3 pilots over to AA. The first "promise" was that they didn't know when these pilots would actually flow, but had to make an irrevocable decision anyway. Turns out 30 or so flowed very quickly in Summer 2010, then none flowed for about 6 months. It was then fairly steady throughout 2011 and through most of 2012. There WAS no promises made to these pilots other then they were then REQUIRED to flow at SOME point in the future and it's inaccurate to lump these pilots (including me) into the mix regarding the present situation that bears little resemblance to then.

Since then, the parent exercised chapter 11 to dump debt and gut union contracts (in the middle of this movement of pilots to AA), your airlines name was changed, multiple domiciles have closed, multiple concessionary agreements have been adopted by Envoy ALPA, a TRUE, REAL pilot regional shortage has developed (which didn't exist yet at that time) and is only slated to intensify. So far, the 824 flow (your flow) has had several hiccups and gaps to accommodate unplanned (?) situations like the return or AA furloughees, etc.

Promises ?

Answer this regarding your claim of all promises met; Isn't the present agreement required to transfer pilots to EVERY AA class and EVERY month ?

Has that been met, or are they falling behind that to instead meet an aggregate (annual) count as opposed to strict agreement intentions ?

I've heard A LOT of complaints from Envoy pilots the flow isn't working exactly as intended, but how best works for AAG and Envoy. What happens next year of 50-300 AA furloughs return ? Will YOUR promises of a steady flow be met ? What if AA reduces capacity like some analysts are predicting (unlike the other two mega-mergers AA has YET to streamline their ops, but the merger is uncompleted) ? The next several years retirement numbers are NOT that huge (it gets significant later in the decade). Perhaps the biggest variable to your certainty of Envoy's ability to provide a unicorn to all present and future pilots to ride to the rainbows of upgrade and then AA is the ability to reel in 50 pilots each and every month really starting NEXT MONTH if they can really get a training bubble to start mass upgrades and steady, continuous flow (which ISN'T happening like the gaps that have happened and will likely happen in the future).

Who can promise THAT ?

Personally, I think your promising checks to pilots that likely will bounce considering all the variables and differences in what occurred between 2010 and late 2012 and 2013 and the future.

 

At least I can say I'm honest about where I am. Too bad you can't make the same claim RJ PILOT.

 

So... Cujo urges pilots to "never count hulls until they are on the ramp" but then goes and subtracts hulls from PSA that are ACTUALLY moving around on the ramp.

Regardless of what happens with the PSA and Envoy fleets, the name Cujo will remain tarnished in the eyes of a majority of pilots in both groups.

 

What's so hard to understand? Here's the sneak preview:

PSA will not be getting the 700's as fast as originally planned, and will take much much more time. PSA will also park some planes soon too.

This is GOOD for PSA and will allow them to catch up on their staffing issue.

Meanwhile, Envoy will retain their planes longer and will need to start the upgrades back up that much sooner. They'll stay larger than previously planned.

This is GOOD for Envoy and will allow their FO's to upgrade, and the flow will keep the upgrades rolling.

It all allows AAG to keep their larger planes flying longer, and is a GOOD thing for AAG

It's a win-win-win for all involved.

Don't say I didn't give you a heads up.....

within the next few weeks, come back and read what I just wrote again....

 

I don't doubt that is a possibility, and not a bad outcome for all involved and I am fine with that. I was referring more to the PSA aircraft parking prediction. At the end of the day anything can happen and I wish both carriers luck going forward; I just think that everyone on both sides of the fence need to take a step back from pretentious future telling.