Envoy Information
06-08-2015 | 03:00 PM
#821
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If Envoy is slated to upgrade less pilots than they flow, it means it STILL is slated to SHRINK. In consideration of that, why would they need any significant number of new-hires ?
It doesn't sound like it's a good time to sign up to be an Envoy new-hire turtle. In fact, if one there has apps out and is thinking of leaving, I think they'd be stupid to pass up a decent gig in favor of fuzzy math and smoke and mirrors.
It doesn't sound like it's a good time to sign up to be an Envoy new-hire turtle. In fact, if one there has apps out and is thinking of leaving, I think they'd be stupid to pass up a decent gig in favor of fuzzy math and smoke and mirrors.
All your scenario does is move them to AA even faster if we're smaller.
06-08-2015 | 03:03 PM
#822
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Yesterday, the day before that and the day before that, you claimed the flow was AA retirement driven ?
What does that have to do Envoy's size ?
Changing your stories and fables as often as the weather doesn't give them any more credibility, you know.
06-08-2015 | 03:18 PM
#823
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1. Proven flow and low upgrade time would (arguably) help Envoy attract new hires.
2. Shrinking Envoy by flowing pilots off the top and upgrading pilots in the middle achieves both those things.
3. Is that the "jumpstart" they need to attract newhires once they've shrunk down (as in, not any time soon)?
I dunno.
2. Shrinking Envoy by flowing pilots off the top and upgrading pilots in the middle achieves both those things.
3. Is that the "jumpstart" they need to attract newhires once they've shrunk down (as in, not any time soon)?
I dunno.
06-08-2015 | 03:24 PM
#824
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Enjoy getting more and more planes at PSA waiting 20 years for your "interview" while being pay capped. Absolutely no reason for them to substantially increase your flow any time soon. They can't afford it with your growth, they have all they cheap labor they need with the majority being on 1-2yr pay right now, and you get plenty suckered in with quick upgrades already. AA street hiring wholly owned is slim to none, UAL recruiters don't like PSA, and for DAL.. better get a PhD, a moon landing and/or join the military for a shot there.. Looks like you will have a LONG time to enjoy how awesome PSA is.
Good luck!
Last edited by RyanP; 06-08-2015 at 03:48 PM.
06-08-2015 | 03:40 PM
#825
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A 6 year flow is if we have X number of pilots. If we shrink to 2/3rdX then a new hire flows sooner.
Unfortunately for you the plan is to no longer shrink anywhere near as small as their worst case scenario.
06-08-2015 | 03:54 PM
#826
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New-hires don't flow sooner unless there is someone to replace them and the size of Envoy won't change that. I hear you lost 40 pilots to others last month, mostly F/O's.
When Envoy starts and MAINTAINS 50/montth in the new-hire dept., then I'll think a newbie has a chance. Until then, I think they're better off at expanding airlines with shorter flows to AA like Piedmont.
06-08-2015 | 04:10 PM
#827
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Unfortunate for me ? LOL !
New-hires don't flow sooner unless there is someone to replace them and the size of Envoy won't change that. I hear you lost 40 pilots to others last month, mostly F/O's.
When Envoy starts and MAINTAINS 50/montth in the new-hire dept., then I'll think a newbie has a chance. Until then, I think they're better off at expanding airlines with shorter flows to AA like Piedmont.
New-hires don't flow sooner unless there is someone to replace them and the size of Envoy won't change that. I hear you lost 40 pilots to others last month, mostly F/O's.
When Envoy starts and MAINTAINS 50/montth in the new-hire dept., then I'll think a newbie has a chance. Until then, I think they're better off at expanding airlines with shorter flows to AA like Piedmont.
The snarling anger and jealousy that raves through all your posts makes it obvious you are not who you say are. Glaringly, you are just another incognito ex-Eagle hater. The amount of time and effort you spend into blasting away at this place makes me sad for your life.
06-08-2015 | 04:16 PM
#828
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Unfortunate for me ? LOL !
New-hires don't flow sooner unless there is someone to replace them and the size of Envoy won't change that. I hear you lost 40 pilots to others last month, mostly F/O's.
When Envoy starts and MAINTAINS 50/montth in the new-hire dept., then I'll think a newbie has a chance. Until then, I think they're better off at expanding airlines with shorter flows to AA like Piedmont.
New-hires don't flow sooner unless there is someone to replace them and the size of Envoy won't change that. I hear you lost 40 pilots to others last month, mostly F/O's.
When Envoy starts and MAINTAINS 50/montth in the new-hire dept., then I'll think a newbie has a chance. Until then, I think they're better off at expanding airlines with shorter flows to AA like Piedmont.
06-08-2015 | 04:37 PM
#829
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Unfortunate for me ? LOL !
New-hires don't flow sooner unless there is someone to replace them and the size of Envoy won't change that. I hear you lost 40 pilots to others last month, mostly F/O's.
When Envoy starts and MAINTAINS 50/montth in the new-hire dept., then I'll think a newbie has a chance. Until then, I think they're better off at expanding airlines with shorter flows to AA like Piedmont.
New-hires don't flow sooner unless there is someone to replace them and the size of Envoy won't change that. I hear you lost 40 pilots to others last month, mostly F/O's.
When Envoy starts and MAINTAINS 50/montth in the new-hire dept., then I'll think a newbie has a chance. Until then, I think they're better off at expanding airlines with shorter flows to AA like Piedmont.
Basic math tough for you?
06-08-2015 | 04:44 PM
#830
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Edit- can't wait till he goes off on some snarling tangent about this. God forbid this thread contain information about envoy and not page after page of trolls.
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