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06-08-2015, 07:56 PM
#801
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2011
Posts: 1,533
Originally Posted by m78fl370
Look man, I've been reading your crap for years on this forum, and under your other screen names on the other forums. You can be pretty entertaining, and hilarious at times. But lately, you're actually starting to embarrass yourself with all the obsession with Eagle. Hours and hours of posting and thousands of posts running down envoy, predicting bad things for envoy, and trying to discourage anyone from working here. If I were you, I'd just relax and enjoy your life at AA. You seem proud to work there, and that's good. Sure, pop in here now and again and entertain us with some of your funny metaphors and humorous ramblings, but for God sakes, take it down a notch.
Why does it bother you so much to let the envoy guys have some optimism or hope that things might be improving? What's wrong with Cujo talking up the future here? The guys at the other regionals do it. I used to disagree with you a lot, but respected your opinions as a long time eagle pilot. Now it's just getting sad.
Why does it bother you so much to let the envoy guys have some optimism or hope that things might be improving? What's wrong with Cujo talking up the future here? The guys at the other regionals do it. I used to disagree with you a lot, but respected your opinions as a long time eagle pilot. Now it's just getting sad.
06-08-2015, 11:03 PM
#804
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 394
Lost in all the back and forth nonsense was the fact that Envoy will be bringing 5 airplanes out of the desert. I'd say given the staffing situation that a lot of the non wholly owned regionals are in, this is a trend that will probably continue. We have pilots and we have airplanes.
We may have been slated for lots of stagnation and shrinkage, but now that we've signed a deal AAG is turning this place around. It's happening a lot quicker than any of the most optimistic among us had thought.
The fact that a lot of this flying is going to be in Critical Coverage at 200% will help a lot of guys that have weathered the storm here.
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We may have been slated for lots of stagnation and shrinkage, but now that we've signed a deal AAG is turning this place around. It's happening a lot quicker than any of the most optimistic among us had thought.
The fact that a lot of this flying is going to be in Critical Coverage at 200% will help a lot of guys that have weathered the storm here.
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06-09-2015, 06:33 AM
#805
Does NOT get weekends off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: ERJ - 145
Posts: 1,631
So I go away for 2 weeks and RJ Pilot, FirstClass, and the rest have all dropped "Good Luck!"?
Awww, it was cute when you guys did it together. We're just done with "Good Luck!" then? It's like "Phrasing" being done...
Awww, it was cute when you guys did it together. We're just done with "Good Luck!" then? It's like "Phrasing" being done...
06-09-2015, 08:15 AM
#806
Banned
Joined APC: Oct 2014
Posts: 2,137
Originally Posted by PilotCrusader
But they would be better off at PSA with a 20 year flow, but with your logic as to why Eagle flow won't work, I guess I could throw that back at PSAs SSP and say the same thing. After all, if we can't hire, you can't hire.
Good Luck!
06-09-2015, 08:19 AM
#807
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 1,054
Originally Posted by FirstClass
Flow?? Flow is a joke at any airline. I hope we get zero flow at PSA. It's meaningless, non-tangible, and at best a floating target. I would rather bet my career on something more meaningful like being Captain very quickly instead of sitting around at Envoy as an 8 year FO, 4 of which are on reserve in some bases.
As far as flow being meaningless, I can understand it to someone like you. Faced with 20 years to flow, you are banking on getting hired through the front door. A flow makes it harder for someone like you to do that. Your motivations are obviously self serving, but then, you are a PSA troll after all!
Tell the 481 pilots, or 62% of all new hires at AA in the last two years, that flow is worthless
06-09-2015, 08:29 AM
#808
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Joined APC: Feb 2014
Position: Semi-Retired...
Posts: 3,137
Originally Posted by FirstClass
Flow?? Flow is a joke at any airline. I hope we get zero flow at PSA. It's meaningless, non-tangible, and at best a floating target. I would rather bet my career on something more meaningful like being Captain very quickly instead of sitting around at Envoy as an 8 year FO, 4 of which are on reserve in some bases.
Good Luck!
Good Luck!
So says the guy with a 20 year wait for an interview, and 9,000 other qualified applicants all with PIC time all applying to be street hires.... meanwhile, AA is currently taking 62% from Envoy, plus a few from PDT and PSA and with recalls they are not hiring one single street hire.... so what is that PIC time worth right now for applying at AA?
As the shortage worsens, and the mainlines struggle to keep their wholly owned regionals staffed; how do you see them doing that? You guys can keep your great PIC time, it may help at United; but both Delta and AA clearly have the handwriting on the wall for where it's headed.
6 years street to AA. Best commuter policies in the industry currently, and upgrades that are created by flow and won't be based upon growth that eventually can't be staffed anyway.
It's a good time to be a pilot, and an even better time to be an Envoy pilot
06-09-2015, 08:59 AM
#809
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Joined APC: Aug 2014
Posts: 511
Cujo665 you know its not going to be a 20 yr wait to go to AA through PSA just like we know its not going to be a 2.5 year upgrade (you said it yourself its going to be more than 3.5 yrs) at Envoy so stop with the obvioulsy hyprocritical posts. You know PSA is going to get a flow and its not going to be 20 yrs, you also know that Envoy will not always get 50% of the AA new hire spots forever as the percentage decreases over time. Stop posting half truths.
You know in a few years the only way to AA will be through the wholly owned carriers and every path will be about 4-6 years.
You also know that Envoy needs to start getting a lot more new hires per month for the math to work out, 10 new guys a month does not replace attrition and bring upgrades down.
XJT has the best commuter policies in the regional industry even without giving out hotels, not Envoy.
You know in a few years the only way to AA will be through the wholly owned carriers and every path will be about 4-6 years.
You also know that Envoy needs to start getting a lot more new hires per month for the math to work out, 10 new guys a month does not replace attrition and bring upgrades down.
XJT has the best commuter policies in the regional industry even without giving out hotels, not Envoy.
06-09-2015, 09:03 AM
#810
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Aug 2011
Posts: 219
Originally Posted by Cujo665
So says the guy with a 20 year wait for an interview, and 9,000 other qualified applicants all with PIC time all applying to be street hires.... meanwhile, AA is currently taking 62% from Envoy, plus a few from PDT and PSA and with recalls they are not hiring one single street hire.... so what is that PIC time worth right now for applying at AA?
So they automatically cross one of their options off
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