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#701
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#702
Yes, the 824 was awarded through arbitration. That is EXACTLY why it is important to have a contract with things in writing. Any violation comes with gains for us through arbitration. With that said, AA has been flowing up more Envoy pilots than the contractual minimum. Call it what you will...an olive branch and/or a business move. Either way, we all benefit.
You and a couple others are spin doctors, intentionally ignoring anything that might make anyone think ENY is anything less than rainbows and unicorns. We're certainly not the worst, but this isn't heaven on earth. Evidently pilots nationwide agree with me. Few that are here want to be, and those that aren't here don't either.
#703
I don't disagree that ENY pilots are finally seeing some positives, but to paint it as AAG doing us a favor is laughable. The Phoenix Mafia does nothing that in the end decreases their bottom line. Nothing.
Loudest? Hardly. Negative Nancy? How about realist. Not much negativity? I'll give you it's nothing like they put us through the last two years, but closing half our bases, giving our airplanes away, and unilaterally changing RSV rules aren't exactly olive branches.
You and a couple others are spin doctors, intentionally ignoring anything that might make anyone think ENY is anything less than rainbows and unicorns. We're certainly not the worst, but this isn't heaven on earth. Evidently pilots nationwide agree with me. Few that are here want to be, and those that aren't here don't either.
Loudest? Hardly. Negative Nancy? How about realist. Not much negativity? I'll give you it's nothing like they put us through the last two years, but closing half our bases, giving our airplanes away, and unilaterally changing RSV rules aren't exactly olive branches.
You and a couple others are spin doctors, intentionally ignoring anything that might make anyone think ENY is anything less than rainbows and unicorns. We're certainly not the worst, but this isn't heaven on earth. Evidently pilots nationwide agree with me. Few that are here want to be, and those that aren't here don't either.
Doesn't change the fact that a new Envoy guy today should be at AA within 6 years, while applying through the front door everywhere. It's a nice backup plan
#704
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#706
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Also confirmed is there are FO's on reserve for over 4 years.
As my friend George once said its fuzzy math.
Good Luck!
#707
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This math, however, is not fuzzy at all. By forecast flow, a new hire today will move in to AA in 6 years, or less.
Keep clinging on to the "where we are today" idiotic thought process. 2 years ago, PSAs "today" was ugly with no hope in site. A quick screwing over of the fellow pilots at other regionals and where are you today?
Envoys current flow is a result of 9/11 and the resulting decade long slowdown. Could it happen again? Sure! By that logic then, Envoy pilot new hires would flow in 16 years and PSA in 30.
Current reseve is high here. I don't know anyone on reserve that long without choice, but it is still pretty high. Let's see what it is this time next year.
Seriously kiddo, you have been trolling badly for so long you really are looking like the village idiot.
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#708
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From: middle seat in the back
#709
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Fuzzy math is the math your mom used to rationalize having you.
This math, however, is not fuzzy at all. By forecast flow, a new hire today will move in to AA in 6 years, or less.
Keep clinging on to the "where we are today" idiotic thought process. 2 years ago, PSAs "today" was ugly with no hope in site. A quick screwing over of the fellow pilots at other regionals and where are you today?
Envoys current flow is a result of 9/11 and the resulting decade long slowdown. Could it happen again? Sure! By that logic then, Envoy pilot new hires would flow in 16 years and PSA in 30.
Current reseve is high here. I don't know anyone on reserve that long without choice, but it is still pretty high. Let's see what it is this time next year.
Seriously kiddo, you have been trolling badly for so long you really are looking looking like the village idiot.
This math, however, is not fuzzy at all. By forecast flow, a new hire today will move in to AA in 6 years, or less.
Keep clinging on to the "where we are today" idiotic thought process. 2 years ago, PSAs "today" was ugly with no hope in site. A quick screwing over of the fellow pilots at other regionals and where are you today?
Envoys current flow is a result of 9/11 and the resulting decade long slowdown. Could it happen again? Sure! By that logic then, Envoy pilot new hires would flow in 16 years and PSA in 30.
Current reseve is high here. I don't know anyone on reserve that long without choice, but it is still pretty high. Let's see what it is this time next year.
Seriously kiddo, you have been trolling badly for so long you really are looking looking like the village idiot.
Not to worry though, we'll be happy to staple your pilots on to the bottom of our list. Many of them may choose to be Captains right away!
Good Luck!
#710
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And we haven't even begun to discuss the downgrades and furloughes from the 47 700's leaving the property starting last month.
Not to worry though, we'll be happy to staple your pilots on to the bottom of our list. Many of them may choose to be Captains right away!
Good Luck!
Not to worry though, we'll be happy to staple your pilots on to the bottom of our list. Many of them may choose to be Captains right away!
Good Luck!
Bad troll. Back under the bridge!
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