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06-04-2015 | 07:26 PM

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Cujo665

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Some of the news will be out in the morning. The rest will come later.

06-04-2015 | 07:44 PM

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Some of the news will be out in the morning. The rest will come later.

How much later?

06-04-2015 | 08:39 PM

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How much later?

A little later. Sooner than much later but not as soon as the sooner news.

06-05-2015 | 02:36 AM

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Some of the news will be out in the morning. The rest will come later.

News about what?

06-05-2015 | 05:16 AM

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News about what?

The down grades.

06-05-2015 | 05:25 AM

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06-05-2015 | 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sublime259

I wouldn't look too much into the "desperation" as you call it. As much as I hate DUI Doug and Co. when they say they're going to do something, they do it.

You're right in terms of choosing a regional and I would never recommend everyone to come to envoy or jump-ship in a lateral move. But it's not a bad place. If I could roll back the clock 8 years and go to republic, PSA, PDT, skywest, TSA, GoJet, AWAC, or any other I don't think I would change a thing. Upgrading quickly isn't everything, but maybe that's just me.

Look, I'm not saying Envoy is a bad pkace, just that considering how this segment if the industry will change so dramatically over the next few years, it is impossible to accurately predict which regional is the best RIGHT NOW in terms of ugrades or even flow-throughs in 2-3 years. Any bombshell announcements at Envoy cannot he deemed successful for a year or two to see how the rest of the industry reacts and whether such strategies truly succeed or fail. If history is any teacher, pilots shoukdn't succumb to knee-jerk employment decisions.

06-05-2015 | 05:40 AM

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Yup, AMR f'd them for sure with the A-Fund. Notice how I said AMR, not AAG. Listen man, it's not called a lost-decade for nothing. People got hosed big time, nobody is arguing that. However, I would hardly say that the past-precident of a defunct management should be the reason why someone does not put value in our flow. Is it perfect? No way. But it's what we have, it's not too bad, and it's working as advertised.

I've never stated the present or future Envoy flows were worthless. They are however, uncertain. AAG could announce a cradle-to-grave plan for Envoy, but that is only a plan and for it to work , they have to get those pilots in the door. No pilots, no viable plan and that's just one aspect. There are many other uncontrollable factors and believing every single one will go rightt over the next half decade or more is folly in my opinion.