That is so precious I could just give you a big hug!

 

You're correct, I almost certainly wouldn't. With 10,000 apps, without a flow through, most won't.

Almost certainly including yourself.....also LOL !

 

Envoy management is simply attempting to stem attrition during a critical time (Summer). The real decision makers for Envoy at AAG likely aren't even looking at chaff like this. They've already determined Envoy's future.

 

I realy dont know how Eagle guys can even be so blinded anymore.. Facts. Eagle is loosing E145's and CRJ's to multiple airlines. Not a single E175 on property yet!!! How can anyone want to stay there for some worthless flow thatin 18+ years has only had what 600 ever make it there thats like 40 a year... (If averaged)... Don't buy into it.

Disclaimer i was Wings West. Feel like i can give a honest opinion, and not just flame....

 

Did that go away previously? That was in place in 2004.

 

Read your contract. That was only for long term events.

 

Sounds like you feel like you got burned by the flow. Sorry to hear that. But this decade is a different animal than the lost decade.

Retirements are coming no matter what, and AA is rumored to be hiring 500-600 per year indefinitely.

I know you guys went through a lot with the promise of flow and 16 year agreement, but the coming hiring boom a totally different hand than what you guys were dealt.

 

There was no mainline hiring for close to a decade. Since the flow restarted in 2010 with the first 35 it has worked as they said it would, better in fact. If their plan works, new hires here should be at AA in six years.

It sucks that an entire generation of pilots got stuck due to no mainline jobs being available, but that doesn't change the facts of the industry today. The legacy and mainline retirements over this next decade outnumber the entire regional pilot pool. A six year flow is a great backup insurance policy in case you don't go through the front door elsewhere. We've sent over 340 just since the 824 started going in mid December 2013. That's just 17 months. If we were the small size of Piedmont, the entire airline would have already flowed to AA in the past 17 months.

This flow is retirement driven, not growth driven. Unless they discover the fountain of youth these guys are going to retire. Envoy will be - and is - getting 50% of the class slots. Nobody else has that.

If the planes don't go as fast as originally planned, the upgrades to replace that flow would begin soon too. You can be a doom and gloomer, but the facts of the situation and basic logic say their plan will work, and that it's going to be a good time to be an Envoy Pilot.

 

The quoted part from the blast didn't specify short term training.

I was just curious. I can't read the contract however, I haven't worked at Eagle in 10 years.

Mid 99 hire

 

hasnt changed much.