Again, can someone post how many flows for the month of june?

Good Luck!

 

Wrong ? [scratching head] Let me guess.........you believe the world to be flat ?

If what you're saying here is true, Wilson's letter therefore MUST include Letter 3 pilots (most of the 169 that flowed in 2013), so that means he HAS included Letter 3 pilots (which have no bearing on whether Envoy and AAG are meeting their minimum 824 requirements, let along exceeding them). Let's see;

You say the 824 started going in December 2013 ?

OK. Let's say 20 824's went that month which results in a subtraction of 149 pilots from Wilson's "481" equaling 332 "824" pilots that flowed since then. December 2013 through MAY 2015 is 18 months of 824 flow. 332/18 = 18.44 pilots/month. Isn't the minimum required 20/month ?

How can this be 12% MORE then they are required to do ?

I'm sorry, but you're barking some fuzzy math, Mr. Salesman and if some pilots here are thinking about buying one of your cars, sir, could you clear up some of the discrepancies in your sales pitch ?

 

This is an absurd post. If you believe this, you'll believe anything and.........it certainly appears you do.

 

There were NO street hires for June, only recalls. The unfilled seats in class ALL went to Envoy and total was 5. How may were we "entitled" to... zero. A 500% increase for that month.

Gripe all you want; our flow is retirement driven; unless they discover the fountain of youth, 50% of all AA pilots will be coming from envoy.

 

I repeat, from all intelligence gathered, we are proud to announce..............

 

Still waiting for your 12% above and beyond 824 calculation since the first 824 flowed. Only you could spin 5 flows in one month as a "500% increase". You're one heck of a salesman !

 

We met with Isom, Hashimoto and Pedro early this year. Shortly afterwards all street hires stopped so they could send more from Envoy.
So far this year we have sent 73 and they've street hired 32 before shutting off new hires. So you're right, it's not 62%.... It's more like 230% of the 32 street hires.

 

Yes, I heard about that little meeting. You're blowing that one WAY out of proportion and now you're slicing and dicing to avoid my question. From what I heard, Isom never promised you a thing and was sympathetic, but vague and turned most of the schtick over to Hashimoto who ran back for a huddle with Pedro afterwards that produced little (except a declaration of war over reserve). Please correct the below math with facts;

First 824 pilot in December 2013. 18 months of flowing about 330 or so pilots almost equals the minimum required 20/month, but NOT 12% more. Furthermore, to my knowledge it's 20/month and not 240/year. There IS a difference, you know.

Have they met the CONTRACTUAL REQUIRMENT in June and EVERY month since the first 824 flowed ?

Getting a straight answer out of you is more difficult then getting it from an airline executive. Perhaps you're in training for that ?

 

It is not 20 a month, nor has it ever been. It's 50% of each new hire position; which may be witheld (I do not call it metering for a reason) to 20.

 

Making up numbers again since you don't work here? Where does 15-20 by next summer come from?

Actually it's 55 FO's that were awarded the 175 on this first batch and they all already have class dates starting in September, even the latest class is in January. There will be more as we start taking deliveries.

With the majority of them being DFW FO's, that is a lot of movement for the junior DFE FO's. Better than what it has been.

What is your obsession with this place anyway? You got your Flow-through to AA and moved on..