I'm with you on that. I always suspect mason of being an fo winkley type. Just speaks about things in other times would be normal union, management conversations, but since we're all desperate for info these conversations turn into bigger stories. I love how all of this has drawn out over the summer. Nothing he has stated was earth shattering.

Your union company are talking
Planes will go other places first
Etc

This is all no crap stuff. Get your resume out. We've finally shown that concessions won't pass and they have shown the low paid airlines will do the new flying. Let's be honest anyways, there's no one left for usairways to merge with and the company has been the worst for a long time. When things start going bad usairways will fail. The government and mergers are the only reason they still existed. So jump ship before we become comair2. It took 6 years for DL to get rid of us at comair, I say 7 for eagle.

 

What's strange to me is how vague and actually pretty silent our union has been lately! When the announcement was made about compass operating 20 of the E175's they sent out a short email about how they would look at how this would impact eagle and that was it.... Haven't seen anything since except for another vague email about how they have never stopped talks with the company but that it's all been informal....

 

I hate the "get your resume out" like it's some earth shattering advice. Most of us do have apps in at UA, DL, AA, Spirit, VA, etc. unfortunately most of us aren't exactly getting those companies beating our doors down to interview. If it was so simple as "getting your resume out" I'm fairly sure 90% of this airline would already be gone.

 

Exactly!!!

 

What if Mason is just management trying to curb attrition

 

If so, the the union's actions should disprove what he's saying, but they don't. They don't confirm it either.

 

Are 40 E-175's going to materially change Envoy or cleanse it of its real problems ? Who REALLY benefits from this relative handful of jets coming to Envoy anyway ?

Certainly not the pilots. 200 senior captains will have new shiny (for a little while anyway) jets to fly that are larger but pay no more. In fact, considering PBS (which will be an almost certain requirement to get these), pay will actually go down. 200 F/O's will taste them too, but they are looking for the exits regardless of these planes and will along with ALL Envoy pilots still tolerate daily abuse, poor staffing and lousy QOL with scheduling flying their CRJ's or EMB's.

Go talk to a Republic pilot living the "high life" in an E-175. The glamour wears off in months (or less) and you're still stuck in the gutter of regional treatment. Most Envoy pilots wont even see these jets and will get capped for getting nothing and liking it, just like Spaulding.

Honestly, I don't know what the excitement is about.

 

I don't know that anyone really cares about getting the airplanes, I for one am curious to see what the flow provision will be. It's unlikely an average guy like myself will ever get called by a mainline to interview so that flow is basically my only ticket to decent employment, even if that employment is 15+ years away.

 

Most people here realize that, hence the 70% who loudly voted NO last time. Copy and paste this to the PSA hiring forum.

 

No, it won't change the Envoy problem. Actually management don't like the PBS program, that's why they were asking to start talking again when the 60th airplane arrived.

I don't see PBS LOA passing the vote.