Envoy's future
05-17-2014 | 07:59 PM
#731
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Where the hell is Mason???
Nothing new here. Just more positioning.
It will get worse before it gets better
You guys didn't really expect them to just roll over and say.... Okay, we give up; pick our pockets.
Their long term plan has not changed
05-17-2014 | 08:03 PM
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you mean it does not work that way, seems like they had there hand in our pockets and were taking the lint also.
05-17-2014 | 08:15 PM
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American Air Says It's Too Late, Rejects Envoy Pilot Proposal for New Talks. - Forbes
American Air Says It's Too Late, Rejects Envoy Pilot Proposal for New Talks.
Pilot leaders at the former American Eagle, now called Envoy, planned a last-ditch effort to negotiate a new contract with parent company American Airlines, but that effort was rebuffed early this week, said the chairman of the pilots’ union......
American Air Says It's Too Late, Rejects Envoy Pilot Proposal for New Talks.
Pilot leaders at the former American Eagle, now called Envoy, planned a last-ditch effort to negotiate a new contract with parent company American Airlines, but that effort was rebuffed early this week, said the chairman of the pilots’ union......
05-17-2014 | 08:17 PM
#734
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I don't mean to be rude, but you must be lost and clueless if you're even thinking about coming to Envoy. There has been nothing but a barrage of bad news for over 2 1/2 years now and there are no signs pointing to improvement. I hope I'm wrong and things improve, but to come here as a new hire is ridiculous unless you simply need currency just to move onto greener pastures.
But, did I say I was going to Envoy? I am simply trying to gather all the info I can get to make the best decision.
05-17-2014 | 08:20 PM
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American Air Says It's Too Late, Rejects Envoy Pilot Proposal for New Talks. - Forbes
American Air Says It's Too Late, Rejects Envoy Pilot Proposal for New Talks.
Pilot leaders at the former American Eagle, now called Envoy, planned a last-ditch effort to negotiate a new contract with parent company American Airlines, but that effort was rebuffed early this week, said the chairman of the pilots’ union......
American Air Says It's Too Late, Rejects Envoy Pilot Proposal for New Talks.
Pilot leaders at the former American Eagle, now called Envoy, planned a last-ditch effort to negotiate a new contract with parent company American Airlines, but that effort was rebuffed early this week, said the chairman of the pilots’ union......
Envoy,” Fabregas wrote. “In response, we reminded ALPA leadership of American’s ongoing negotiations and explained that American needed to complete those discussions before we are able to engage in further talks with ALPA.
time to burn this place to the ground.
05-17-2014 | 08:34 PM
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Update 5-17-14
Chicago pilots,
I hope everyone has had a chance to read the latest message from the MEC chairman. I want to expand on this and talk about the events of the last couple weeks. There has been a lot of misinformation and rumors circulating and I hope to set some things straight. This is a critical time for us and I want everyone informed and up to date.
Back on May 5th, the MEC had a teleconference in which we discussed ways that we could provide assistance for those pilots looking to move elsewhere in the industry. As mentioned in previous MEC blasts, we are working on getting the contracts finalized for a logbook service as well as access to a job posting website and a well-known aviation career counselor. I have been pushing hard for ALPA to move faster in providing these services, but due to the amount of money being spent there is a certain amount of red tape to cut through. I think the final contracts should be complete early next week and these programs implemented shortly thereafter.
On May 6th we received word from Pedro that he would entertain a “reasonable” proposal from the MEC. He wanted us to present him with something that the MEC could fully support and would pass pilot ratification. Pedro also floated the idea of giving Envoy pilots AA seniority numbers and wanted to know if we would support the failed AIP if it had AA seniority numbers. We told him we couldn’t blindly support that without discussing the details. We continued to discuss the proposal and decided to have another teleconference on May 7th. We got on the phone with the negotiating committee and gave them direction on what a proposal should look like and brainstormed ideas. For the next few days we debated the content but ultimately we were never given the opportunity to present anything to the company.
May 12th came around and we got word from the company that any kind of proposal from us would not be accepted. Everyone on the MEC had worked hard to try to come up with something we could support, the pilots could support and management could accept but they wanted to hear none of it. I was disappointed that the company would go back on their offer but as we’ve seen before…this is not unprecedented behavior for them.
In the company’s recent communication they stated, “ALPA now contends we recently told them an offer from the union for a new TA would be “summarily rejected.” This is not accurate.” Actually, this is accurate. We did not work on a proposal independently. Pedro said the company was willing to look at an offer on May 6th and then by May 12th they had completely reversed their position.
The worst part about the company’s email on Friday, beyond the inaccuracies, is the clear intent to pit work groups against each other. We know the facts, and can relate them to you as I am doing now, but the flight attendants and ground crews will not hear our side of the story. This is classic maneuvering from management, and is another poke in our collective eyes.
Everyone who has been at Eagle/Envoy for more than a year knows the golden rule: don’t lie. This is so vital because the second you start lying, you lose all credibility. Pedro has lost all credibility in my eyes. It’s sad to see the state of the airline come to this. I have so much respect for the employees here at Envoy, we deserve better leadership than this.
Fraternally,
Z & Z
Update 5-17-14
Chicago pilots,
I hope everyone has had a chance to read the latest message from the MEC chairman. I want to expand on this and talk about the events of the last couple weeks. There has been a lot of misinformation and rumors circulating and I hope to set some things straight. This is a critical time for us and I want everyone informed and up to date.
Back on May 5th, the MEC had a teleconference in which we discussed ways that we could provide assistance for those pilots looking to move elsewhere in the industry. As mentioned in previous MEC blasts, we are working on getting the contracts finalized for a logbook service as well as access to a job posting website and a well-known aviation career counselor. I have been pushing hard for ALPA to move faster in providing these services, but due to the amount of money being spent there is a certain amount of red tape to cut through. I think the final contracts should be complete early next week and these programs implemented shortly thereafter.
On May 6th we received word from Pedro that he would entertain a “reasonable” proposal from the MEC. He wanted us to present him with something that the MEC could fully support and would pass pilot ratification. Pedro also floated the idea of giving Envoy pilots AA seniority numbers and wanted to know if we would support the failed AIP if it had AA seniority numbers. We told him we couldn’t blindly support that without discussing the details. We continued to discuss the proposal and decided to have another teleconference on May 7th. We got on the phone with the negotiating committee and gave them direction on what a proposal should look like and brainstormed ideas. For the next few days we debated the content but ultimately we were never given the opportunity to present anything to the company.
May 12th came around and we got word from the company that any kind of proposal from us would not be accepted. Everyone on the MEC had worked hard to try to come up with something we could support, the pilots could support and management could accept but they wanted to hear none of it. I was disappointed that the company would go back on their offer but as we’ve seen before…this is not unprecedented behavior for them.
In the company’s recent communication they stated, “ALPA now contends we recently told them an offer from the union for a new TA would be “summarily rejected.” This is not accurate.” Actually, this is accurate. We did not work on a proposal independently. Pedro said the company was willing to look at an offer on May 6th and then by May 12th they had completely reversed their position.
The worst part about the company’s email on Friday, beyond the inaccuracies, is the clear intent to pit work groups against each other. We know the facts, and can relate them to you as I am doing now, but the flight attendants and ground crews will not hear our side of the story. This is classic maneuvering from management, and is another poke in our collective eyes.
Everyone who has been at Eagle/Envoy for more than a year knows the golden rule: don’t lie. This is so vital because the second you start lying, you lose all credibility. Pedro has lost all credibility in my eyes. It’s sad to see the state of the airline come to this. I have so much respect for the employees here at Envoy, we deserve better leadership than this.
Fraternally,
Z & Z
05-17-2014 | 08:40 PM
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Update 5-17-14
Chicago pilots,
I hope everyone has had a chance to read the latest message from the MEC chairman. I want to expand on this and talk about the events of the last couple weeks. There has been a lot of misinformation and rumors circulating and I hope to set some things straight. This is a critical time for us and I want everyone informed and up to date.
Back on May 5th, the MEC had a teleconference in which we discussed ways that we could provide assistance for those pilots looking to move elsewhere in the industry. As mentioned in previous MEC blasts, we are working on getting the contracts finalized for a logbook service as well as access to a job posting website and a well-known aviation career counselor. I have been pushing hard for ALPA to move faster in providing these services, but due to the amount of money being spent there is a certain amount of red tape to cut through. I think the final contracts should be complete early next week and these programs implemented shortly thereafter.
On May 6th we received word from Pedro that he would entertain a “reasonable” proposal from the MEC. He wanted us to present him with something that the MEC could fully support and would pass pilot ratification. Pedro also floated the idea of giving Envoy pilots AA seniority numbers and wanted to know if we would support the failed AIP if it had AA seniority numbers. We told him we couldn’t blindly support that without discussing the details. We continued to discuss the proposal and decided to have another teleconference on May 7th. We got on the phone with the negotiating committee and gave them direction on what a proposal should look like and brainstormed ideas. For the next few days we debated the content but ultimately we were never given the opportunity to present anything to the company.
May 12th came around and we got word from the company that any kind of proposal from us would not be accepted. Everyone on the MEC had worked hard to try to come up with something we could support, the pilots could support and management could accept but they wanted to hear none of it. I was disappointed that the company would go back on their offer but as we’ve seen before…this is not unprecedented behavior for them.
In the company’s recent communication they stated, “ALPA now contends we recently told them an offer from the union for a new TA would be “summarily rejected.” This is not accurate.” Actually, this is accurate. We did not work on a proposal independently. Pedro said the company was willing to look at an offer on May 6th and then by May 12th they had completely reversed their position.
The worst part about the company’s email on Friday, beyond the inaccuracies, is the clear intent to pit work groups against each other. We know the facts, and can relate them to you as I am doing now, but the flight attendants and ground crews will not hear our side of the story. This is classic maneuvering from management, and is another poke in our collective eyes.
Everyone who has been at Eagle/Envoy for more than a year knows the golden rule: don’t lie. This is so vital because the second you start lying, you lose all credibility. Pedro has lost all credibility in my eyes. It’s sad to see the state of the airline come to this. I have so much respect for the employees here at Envoy, we deserve better leadership than this.
Fraternally,
Z & Z
Update 5-17-14
Chicago pilots,
I hope everyone has had a chance to read the latest message from the MEC chairman. I want to expand on this and talk about the events of the last couple weeks. There has been a lot of misinformation and rumors circulating and I hope to set some things straight. This is a critical time for us and I want everyone informed and up to date.
Back on May 5th, the MEC had a teleconference in which we discussed ways that we could provide assistance for those pilots looking to move elsewhere in the industry. As mentioned in previous MEC blasts, we are working on getting the contracts finalized for a logbook service as well as access to a job posting website and a well-known aviation career counselor. I have been pushing hard for ALPA to move faster in providing these services, but due to the amount of money being spent there is a certain amount of red tape to cut through. I think the final contracts should be complete early next week and these programs implemented shortly thereafter.
On May 6th we received word from Pedro that he would entertain a “reasonable” proposal from the MEC. He wanted us to present him with something that the MEC could fully support and would pass pilot ratification. Pedro also floated the idea of giving Envoy pilots AA seniority numbers and wanted to know if we would support the failed AIP if it had AA seniority numbers. We told him we couldn’t blindly support that without discussing the details. We continued to discuss the proposal and decided to have another teleconference on May 7th. We got on the phone with the negotiating committee and gave them direction on what a proposal should look like and brainstormed ideas. For the next few days we debated the content but ultimately we were never given the opportunity to present anything to the company.
May 12th came around and we got word from the company that any kind of proposal from us would not be accepted. Everyone on the MEC had worked hard to try to come up with something we could support, the pilots could support and management could accept but they wanted to hear none of it. I was disappointed that the company would go back on their offer but as we’ve seen before…this is not unprecedented behavior for them.
In the company’s recent communication they stated, “ALPA now contends we recently told them an offer from the union for a new TA would be “summarily rejected.” This is not accurate.” Actually, this is accurate. We did not work on a proposal independently. Pedro said the company was willing to look at an offer on May 6th and then by May 12th they had completely reversed their position.
The worst part about the company’s email on Friday, beyond the inaccuracies, is the clear intent to pit work groups against each other. We know the facts, and can relate them to you as I am doing now, but the flight attendants and ground crews will not hear our side of the story. This is classic maneuvering from management, and is another poke in our collective eyes.
Everyone who has been at Eagle/Envoy for more than a year knows the golden rule: don’t lie. This is so vital because the second you start lying, you lose all credibility. Pedro has lost all credibility in my eyes. It’s sad to see the state of the airline come to this. I have so much respect for the employees here at Envoy, we deserve better leadership than this.
Fraternally,
Z & Z
05-17-2014 | 09:30 PM
#738
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Update 5-17-14
Chicago pilots,
I hope everyone has had a chance to read the latest message from the MEC chairman. I want to expand on this and talk about the events of the last couple weeks. There has been a lot of misinformation and rumors circulating and I hope to set some things straight. This is a critical time for us and I want everyone informed and up to date.
Back on May 5th, the MEC had a teleconference in which we discussed ways that we could provide assistance for those pilots looking to move elsewhere in the industry. As mentioned in previous MEC blasts, we are working on getting the contracts finalized for a logbook service as well as access to a job posting website and a well-known aviation career counselor. I have been pushing hard for ALPA to move faster in providing these services, but due to the amount of money being spent there is a certain amount of red tape to cut through. I think the final contracts should be complete early next week and these programs implemented shortly thereafter.
On May 6th we received word from Pedro that he would entertain a “reasonable” proposal from the MEC. He wanted us to present him with something that the MEC could fully support and would pass pilot ratification. Pedro also floated the idea of giving Envoy pilots AA seniority numbers and wanted to know if we would support the failed AIP if it had AA seniority numbers. We told him we couldn’t blindly support that without discussing the details. We continued to discuss the proposal and decided to have another teleconference on May 7th. We got on the phone with the negotiating committee and gave them direction on what a proposal should look like and brainstormed ideas. For the next few days we debated the content but ultimately we were never given the opportunity to present anything to the company.
May 12th came around and we got word from the company that any kind of proposal from us would not be accepted. Everyone on the MEC had worked hard to try to come up with something we could support, the pilots could support and management could accept but they wanted to hear none of it. I was disappointed that the company would go back on their offer but as we’ve seen before…this is not unprecedented behavior for them.
In the company’s recent communication they stated, “ALPA now contends we recently told them an offer from the union for a new TA would be “summarily rejected.” This is not accurate.” Actually, this is accurate. We did not work on a proposal independently. Pedro said the company was willing to look at an offer on May 6th and then by May 12th they had completely reversed their position.
The worst part about the company’s email on Friday, beyond the inaccuracies, is the clear intent to pit work groups against each other. We know the facts, and can relate them to you as I am doing now, but the flight attendants and ground crews will not hear our side of the story. This is classic maneuvering from management, and is another poke in our collective eyes.
Everyone who has been at Eagle/Envoy for more than a year knows the golden rule: don’t lie. This is so vital because the second you start lying, you lose all credibility. Pedro has lost all credibility in my eyes. It’s sad to see the state of the airline come to this. I have so much respect for the employees here at Envoy, we deserve better leadership than this.
Fraternally,
Z & Z
Update 5-17-14
Chicago pilots,
I hope everyone has had a chance to read the latest message from the MEC chairman. I want to expand on this and talk about the events of the last couple weeks. There has been a lot of misinformation and rumors circulating and I hope to set some things straight. This is a critical time for us and I want everyone informed and up to date.
Back on May 5th, the MEC had a teleconference in which we discussed ways that we could provide assistance for those pilots looking to move elsewhere in the industry. As mentioned in previous MEC blasts, we are working on getting the contracts finalized for a logbook service as well as access to a job posting website and a well-known aviation career counselor. I have been pushing hard for ALPA to move faster in providing these services, but due to the amount of money being spent there is a certain amount of red tape to cut through. I think the final contracts should be complete early next week and these programs implemented shortly thereafter.
On May 6th we received word from Pedro that he would entertain a “reasonable” proposal from the MEC. He wanted us to present him with something that the MEC could fully support and would pass pilot ratification. Pedro also floated the idea of giving Envoy pilots AA seniority numbers and wanted to know if we would support the failed AIP if it had AA seniority numbers. We told him we couldn’t blindly support that without discussing the details. We continued to discuss the proposal and decided to have another teleconference on May 7th. We got on the phone with the negotiating committee and gave them direction on what a proposal should look like and brainstormed ideas. For the next few days we debated the content but ultimately we were never given the opportunity to present anything to the company.
May 12th came around and we got word from the company that any kind of proposal from us would not be accepted. Everyone on the MEC had worked hard to try to come up with something we could support, the pilots could support and management could accept but they wanted to hear none of it. I was disappointed that the company would go back on their offer but as we’ve seen before…this is not unprecedented behavior for them.
In the company’s recent communication they stated, “ALPA now contends we recently told them an offer from the union for a new TA would be “summarily rejected.” This is not accurate.” Actually, this is accurate. We did not work on a proposal independently. Pedro said the company was willing to look at an offer on May 6th and then by May 12th they had completely reversed their position.
The worst part about the company’s email on Friday, beyond the inaccuracies, is the clear intent to pit work groups against each other. We know the facts, and can relate them to you as I am doing now, but the flight attendants and ground crews will not hear our side of the story. This is classic maneuvering from management, and is another poke in our collective eyes.
Everyone who has been at Eagle/Envoy for more than a year knows the golden rule: don’t lie. This is so vital because the second you start lying, you lose all credibility. Pedro has lost all credibility in my eyes. It’s sad to see the state of the airline come to this. I have so much respect for the employees here at Envoy, we deserve better leadership than this.
Fraternally,
Z & Z
Pedro job my be at risk and that's why it looks that he wants to get a deal done.
I think Parker wants to give some planes away and then come back to us.
05-17-2014 | 10:15 PM
#739
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It really disgust me the way American treats Eagle pilots. I wish you guys could all call in sick one day. At least you'll get more than a 30 sec clip on one news cycle. Just on the sidelines hoping the best for you guys.
05-18-2014 | 03:47 AM
#740
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Almost everyone here is actively trying to get out. The flood gates of attrition are about to burst. Is the company planning on that? They're just shooting themselves in the foot.
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